Le 2013-03-12 à 14:45, John C Klensin <john-ietf@xxxxxxx> a écrit : > Hi > > At last night's plenary, I raised some related issues about the > difficulties posed by the interactions between current systems > for developing and editing documents working groups through the > approval and publication processes and the growing number of > people in the community who do sound technical work but who > cannot express themselves easily and well in clear technical > English. In one of those comments, I suggested that the issues > were likely to continue to get more important as the IETF > diversified to including participants from areas we haven't seen > before and mentioned likely increased numbers of participants > from Mars. My intent was to abstract the problem as much as > possible to avoid even the appearance of singling out any one > country or region as the source of the issue. I don't believe > that is the case and have observed (and did last night) that we > have first-language speakers of English who write good and bad > technical English as well as many first-language speakers of > other languages who write better technical English than the > native-speaker average. > > In any event, I've gotten some feedback that some people thought > I was identifying them as Martians and were offended. I was not offended, but I was in strong disagreement with your second comment that by having a co-editor assigned to help, it would make these "Martians" second-class citizens in the IETF. I completly disagree. Everybody needs help, for improving whatever: technical, writing, QA, etc... That does not make someone a second-class citizen. Closing and moving forward. Marc. > No > offense was intended and I used the "Martian" terminology > precisely to avoid that possibility. I obviously failed and > apologize to anyone who didn't hear or understand what I was > trying to say in the way I intended to say it. I'll try to > watch my choice of vocabulary even more in the future. > > john