Hi At last night's plenary, I raised some related issues about the difficulties posed by the interactions between current systems for developing and editing documents working groups through the approval and publication processes and the growing number of people in the community who do sound technical work but who cannot express themselves easily and well in clear technical English. In one of those comments, I suggested that the issues were likely to continue to get more important as the IETF diversified to including participants from areas we haven't seen before and mentioned likely increased numbers of participants from Mars. My intent was to abstract the problem as much as possible to avoid even the appearance of singling out any one country or region as the source of the issue. I don't believe that is the case and have observed (and did last night) that we have first-language speakers of English who write good and bad technical English as well as many first-language speakers of other languages who write better technical English than the native-speaker average. In any event, I've gotten some feedback that some people thought I was identifying them as Martians and were offended. No offense was intended and I used the "Martian" terminology precisely to avoid that possibility. I obviously failed and apologize to anyone who didn't hear or understand what I was trying to say in the way I intended to say it. I'll try to watch my choice of vocabulary even more in the future. john