Re: Diversity of IETF Leadership

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I signed the letter and my answers to your questions are below [MB].
I would posit that a number of others have answers not unlike my own.

Mary.

On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Michael StJohns <mstjohns@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I'm not sure I have enough data to evaluate the comments in this letter.  I
> don't disagree with the general goal "diversity is good".  I do believe that
> the proposed actions are not realistic in that they would tend to make the
> Nomcom process even more moribund.  I will note that Appendix A suggests,
> but does not require the Nomcom to consider diversity in the appointment of
> IAB members (and doing diversity on a company basis can sometimes fight with
> doing diversity on a minority, gender or geographic basis).
>
> But I have a more fundamental set of questions with respect to the data on
> trend stated by the letter - that we're becoming less diverse.
>
> 1) Is there a "statistically significant" difference in the composition of
> the set of the working group chairs and the set of the members of the IESG
> and IAB taken together for the 10 years mentioned?   It was pointed out to
> me that it is pretty much a hard requirement that members of those bodies
> have previous experience as a WG chair, so THAT  is the set with which the
> IESG and IAB membership should be compared, not the IETF as a whole.
>
> 2) Of the people who signed this letter
>    a) Who have been working group chairs?
[MB] I've chaired RAI area WGs since 2006.  I have chaired DISPATCH WG
since 2009 and CLUE since 2011.
>    b) Who would be willing to volunteer for
>        i) the Nomcom
[MB] I served as Nomcom chair in the past. [/MB]
>        ii) the IAB
[MB] I currently serve as IAB executive director. [/MB]
>        iii) the IESG?
[MB] I have been a nominee for RAI (and other areas) at least 6 times. [/MB
>    c) Whose employers (or other supporting organization) would be willing to
> support their participation in
[MB] Obviously, I have had employers that have supported in all the
roles and currently support me in the roles in which I am currently
serving. [/MB]
>        i) the Nomcom
>        ii) the IAB
>        iii) the IESG?
>
> 3) Same set of questions for the IETF as a whole.  I'd really like to get an
> understanding of the size and composition of the intersection of the set of
> current/past WG chairs and the set of "my employer will support me doing the
> IESG job".
>
> I've had a few conversations on this topic already at the current meeting
> and at least three conversations went:  "I don't have time (or support) for
> the IESG, but I really think I could be an asset to the IAB".  E.g. the IESG
> takes significantly more time than the IESG.
[MB] I think you mean IESG takes more time than IAB.  I would
certainly agree with that but I do not believe there was a shortage of
nominees/volunteers to serve in IESG positions this year. [/MB]
>
>
> My take is that a) WG chair and b) employer support are the two objective
> criteria in the Nomcom process.
>
> I would hesitate to eliminate the "must have been a WG chair" as criteria as
> its one of the few internal-to-the-IETF opportunities to observe or evaluate
> candidate abilities.  But then we need to figure out if we're doing what we
> can to diversify the WG chairs without adversely affecting the WGs.
>
> For employer support - we're either stuck with the current situation, or we
> shrink the job to increase the number of people (and employers) willing to
> do the job, or we figure out how to get third party support for given
> positions.  Unless and until we do this, we have to live with the set of
> candidates for things like the IESG being a lot smaller than the IETF as a
> whole.
>
> What ever we come up with, I'd really like it to be actionable and
> objective.
[MB] My personal opinion is that these are not our biggest issues in
increasing diversity, with the exception of corporate/sponsor
diversity.  They are certainly general issues and challenges that we
are faced with as a whole. [/MB]
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
>
> At 06:22 AM 3/10/2013, IETF Diversity wrote:
>
> The letter below was sent to the IESG, the IAB, the IAOC and the ISOC Board
> this morning, in an attempt to open a discussion of how to increase the
> diversity of the IETF Leadership.  We are sharing the letter here to
> encourage community discussion of this important topic.
>
> If you support this letter and would like to be added as a signatory, please
> send e-mail to ietf.diversity@xxxxxxxxx, and your name will be added to the
> list of signatures.
>
> ---
>
> ** An Open Letter to the IESG, the IAB, the IAOC and the ISOC Board **
>
> Dear Members of the IETF Leadership,
>
> We would like to call your attention to an issue that weakens the
> IETF's decision-making process and calls into question the
> legitimacy of the IETF as an International Standards Development
> Organization: the lack of diversity of the IETF leadership.
>
> In addition to the moral and social issues involved, diversity of
> leadership across several axes (race, geographic location, gender
> and corporate affiliation) is important for three practical reasons:
>
>     - It is a well-established fact that diverse groups are smarter
>       and make better decisions than less-diverse groups.
>
>     - Lack of diversity in our leadership becomes a self-perpetuating
>       problem, because people who are not represented in the IETF
>       leadership are less likely to dedicate their time and effort to
>       the IETF.
>
>     - The lack of diversity in the IETF leadership undermines our
>       credibility and challenges our legitimacy as an International
>       Standards Development Organization.
>
> Unfortunately, despite a substantial increase in the number of IETF
> leadership positions (from 25 to 32) and increasingly diverse
> attendance at IETF meetings, the diversity of the IETF leadership has
> not improved.  In fact, it seems to have dropped significantly over
> the past ten years.
>
> For example, ten years ago, in February of 2003, there were 25 members
> of the IETF leadership (12 IAB members and 13 IESG members).  Of those
> 25 members, there was one member of non-European descent, there was one
> member from a country outside of North America or Europe, and there were
> four women.  There were 23 companies represented in the IETF leadership
> (out of a total of 25 seats).
>
> In February of 2013, there were 32 members of the IETF leadership
> (12 IAB members, 15 IESG members and 5 IAOC members).  Of those 32
> members, there was one member of non-European descent, there were no
> members from countries outside of North America or Europe, and there
> was only one woman.  There were only 19 companies represented (out of
> a total of 32 seats).
>
> It is important to the continued relevance and success of the IETF
> that we address this issue and eliminate whatever factors are
> contributing to the lack of diversity in our leadership.  We believe
> that this is an important and urgent issue that requires your
> immediate attention.
>
> There are several steps that could be taken, in the short-term within
> our existing BCPs, to address this problem:
>
>      - Each of the IETF leadership bodies (the IESG, IAB and IAOC)
>        could update the qualifications that they submit to the
>        Nominations Committee (through the IAD) to make it clear that
>        the Nominations Committee should actively seek to increase the
>        diversity of that body in terms of race, geographic location,
>        gender and corporate affiliation.
>
>      - Each of the confirming bodies (the ISOC Board for the IAB, the
>        IAB for the IESG, and the IESG for the IAOC) could make a
>        public statement at the beginning of each year's nominations
>        process that they will not confirm a slate unless it
>        contributes to increased diversity within the IETF leadership,
>        or it is accompanied by a detailed explanation of what
>        steps were taken to select a more diverse slate and why it was
>        not possible to do so.
>
>      - The ISOC President could continue to select Nominations
>        Committee Chairs who understand the value of diversity and are
>        committed to increasing the diversity of the IETF.
>
>      - The Nominations Committee could be offered resources or
>        training on the value of diversity, techniques to recruit a
>        more diverse candidate pool, and/or information about how to
>        minimize conflict-of-interest and personal bias in their
>        selection process.
>
> We also feel that more substantial and longer-term changes may be
> needed to fully address this issue.  Therefore, we request that the
> new IETF Chair assemble a design team (with diverse membership, of
> course) to determine the causes of this problem and to make
> suggestions for longer-term solutions to be considered by the IETF.
>
> We are committed to working within the IETF to make the changes
> that are needed to correct this serious issue.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> (In alphabetical order)
>
> Bernard Aboba
> Cathy Aronson
> Alia Atlas
> Mary Barnes
> Mohamed Boucadair
> Brian Carpenter
> Stuart Cheshire
> Alissa Cooper
> Spencer Dawkins
> Roni Even
> Janet Gunn
> Stephen Hanna
> Ted Hardie
> Sam Hartman
> Fangwei Hu
> Geoff Huston
> Christian Jacquenet
> Mirjam Kuehne
> Olaf Kolkman
> Suresh Krishnan
> Barry Leiba
> Ted Lemon
> Kepeng Li
> Dapeng Liu
> Allison Mankin
> Bill Manning
> Kathleen Moriarty
> Monique Morrow
> Nurani Nimpuno
> Matt Nottingham
> Erik Nordmark
> Karen O'Donoghue
> Iuniana Oprescu
> Jaqueline Queiroz
> Hosnieh Rafiee
> Pete Resnick
> Lea Roberts
> Simon Pietro Romano
> Peter Saint-Andre
> Eve Schooler
> Rifaat Shekh-Yusef
> Larissa Shapiro
> Melinda Shore
> Barbara Stark
> Brian Trammel
> Tina Tsou
> Justin Uberti
> Margaret Wasserman
> Renee Wilson-Burstein
> James Woodyatt
> Lucy Yong
> Jessica Yu
> Lixia Zhang
>
>


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