You need at least two more properties (iii) High technical standard products (iv) Efficient All the openness and fairness in the world is no use if it produces bad products, or if it produces little or no product, or product so late it's no use. (That wording is tailored to protocols etc. There are similar properties for an AD, just worded slightly differently.) -- Christopher Dearlove Senior Principal Engineer, Communications Group Communications, Networks and Image Analysis Capability BAE Systems Advanced Technology Centre West Hanningfield Road, Great Baddow, Chelmsford, CM2 8HN, UK Tel: +44 1245 242194 | Fax: +44 1245 242124 chris.dearlove@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx | http://www.baesystems.com BAE Systems (Operations) Limited Registered Office: Warwick House, PO Box 87, Farnborough Aerospace Centre, Farnborough, Hants, GU14 6YU, UK Registered in England & Wales No: 1996687 -----Original Message----- From: ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx [mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of S Moonesamy Sent: 08 March 2013 12:18 To: ietf@xxxxxxxx Subject: The desires of the IETF community ----------------------! WARNING ! ---------------------- This message originates from outside our organisation, either from an external partner or from the internet. Keep this in mind if you answer this message. Follow the 'Report Suspicious Emails' link on IT matters for instructions on reporting suspicious email messages. -------------------------------------------------------- Hello, I'll list the properties sought as: (i) Open (ii) Fair There will be sessions at IETF 86 where anyone can say whatever he or she wishes. That takes care of the first property. It is not possible to determine what is fair. Each and everyone has to decide for himself/herself. However, it is unfair for the individuals on NomCom 2012, the IAB, the IESG and the candidates as their actions are constrained by rules or practices. What if there is an environment where the individuals can interact in good faith while taking BCP 10 into consideration? NomCom 2012 has to get an understanding of the IETF community's consensus of the qualifications required. There isn't any rule which restricts NomCom from having a session at IETF 86 to listen to the desires of the IETF community. There isn't any rule which restricts individuals who happen to be on NomCom 2012 from asking clarifying question. There isn't any rule which restricts individuals who happen to be on the IAB from asking clarifying questions. There isn't any rule which restricts individuals who are candidates from asking clarifying questions. Once NomCom 2012 has an understanding of the qualifications required it can talk to any possible candidate, even if the person is not on the current list. Note that NomCom 2012 does not have to disclose the qualities which it will consider to select a candidate. If the NomCom 2012 concludes that there isn't any confirmed candidate yet it can announce that. After all, it is not a surprise to anyone to hear that there isn't any confirmed candidate at the moment. NomCom 2012 can also report the difficulties it encountered separately. The TSVAREA session can then be used to discuss about the difficulties and how IESG operations will be affected. I attempted to separate two questions, qualifications required and what to do about the position. As I don't have much time to write this message I may be missing some points. Regards, S. Moonesamy ******************************************************************** This email and any attachments are confidential to the intended recipient and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it from your system and notify the sender. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose or distribute its contents to any other person. ********************************************************************