Martin, An article like this is the best reason why we should never finally resolve the buffer bloat issue: Doing that would take away the opportunity for generations of researcher to over and over regurgitate the same proposed improvements and gain PhDs in the process. I mean the Internet wold be like math without fermats last theorem. Have you seen how disenfranchised mathematicians are now ? Its worse than the mood at Kennedy Space center without a shuttle program (to bring the discussion back to relevant aspects of IETF Orlando). Sorry. could'nt resist. I was actually happy about using some of those UDP based flow control reliable transports in past years when i couldn't figure out how to fix the TCP stack of my OSs. Alas, the beginning of the end of TCP is near now anyhow with RTCweb deciding to use browser/user-level based SCTP over UDP stacks instead of OS-level TCP. On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 01:41:35AM +0100, Martin Rex wrote: > Bob Braden wrote: > > On 3/4/2013 10:20 AM, Roger Jørgensen wrote: > > > I'll ask a rather basic question and hope someone will answer in an > > > educational way - Why is congestion control so important? And where > > > does it apply? ... :-) > > > > Ouch. Because without it (as we learned the hard way in the late 1980s) \ > > the Internet may collapse and provide essentially no service. > > It is PR like this one: > > http://www.fujitsu.com/global/news/pr/archives/month/2013/20130129-02.html > > That gets me worried about folks might try to "fix" the internet > mostly due to the fact that they really haven't understood what > is already there any why. > > -Martin -- --- Toerless Eckert, eckert@xxxxxxxxx Cisco NSSTG Systems & Technology Architecture SDN: Let me play with the network, mommy!