>>>>> "Jari" == Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@xxxxxxxxx> writes: Jari> Sam, Thanks for raising this issue. The issue about what kind Jari> of candidates are suitable for the task. Jari> However, even if you asked us to not reply to your mail on the Jari> public list, I wanted to do it for one aspect. I have a Jari> suggestion that relates to who you are directing your Jari> criticism to. You've been a part of the nomination process, Jari> you know it is not easy. Jari> When it comes to feedback on candidates and the tasks, noncom Jari> does need your feedback. Please tell them what you think. Jari> But when it comes to the "off in the wilderness" part, I have Jari> a very strong opinion. Please do not take it out on the Jari> noncom, confirming bodies, or the process. I think the buck Jari> stops in this particular situation with the IESG, whose Jari> requirements they are following. Just like when the spec is Jari> wrong, you do not blame the vendor. Jari, I could not disagree more. Evaluating community feedback on the qualifications provided by the IESG is specifically the nomcom's responsibility. It's quite clear the buck stops with the nomcom in RFC 3777 not with the IESG. I shall quote the related sections of the RFc for you: The nominating committee will be given the title of the positions to be reviewed and a brief summary of the desired expertise of the candidate that is nominated to fill each position. ... 10. The Chair announces the open positions to be reviewed, the desired expertise provided by the IETF Executive Director, and the call for nominees. ... nomination must include the set of skills or expertise the nominator believes the nominee has that would be desirable. ... 12. The nominating committee selects candidates based on its understanding of the IETF community's consensus of the qualifications required to fill the open positions. The intent of this rule is to ensure that the nominating committee consults with a broad base of the IETF community for input to its deliberations. In particular, the nominating committee must determine if the desired expertise for the open positions matches its understanding of the qualifications desired by the IETF community. ... 14. The nominating committee advises the confirming bodies of their candidates, specifying a single candidate for each open position and testifying as to how each candidate meets the qualifications of an open position. (***note qualifications not expertise***) For each candidate, the testimony must include a brief statement of the qualifications for the position that is being filled, which may be exactly the expertise that was requested. If the qualifications differ from the expertise originally requested a brief statement explaining the difference must be included.