Martin, On 01/15/2013 02:10 AM, Martin Rex wrote: > John Leslie wrote: >> >>> ... >>> But more to the point, I think that in a lot of cases where >>> the IETF has done a good job, there has been running code >>> before the WG even started... >> >> This perhaps explains where Stephen is coming from. Such >> cases do exist; and it is arguable that the process Stephen has >> describe in this draft are well-suited to such cases (though I >> would still have to quibble about some details). >> >> I remain unconvinced, however, that fast-tracking the cases >> that start from running code is a good use of WG efforts. Such >> cases seem better suited to Independent Submissions from a >> design team (which would _greatly_ speed the process). When >> a WG is formed, IMHO, they should be encouraged to look at the >> problem from some quite different angles, in search of a way >> to "Simplify!". > > I also believe that being more honest about something that is > more a design team effort than the result of more traditional > WG work should probably carry through that notion of an > Independent Submission, and, when being fast-tracked, that it > is essentially a request for rubber-stamping. Oh come on. That seems like a fairly wild exaggeration. Please explain how this experiment as documented in this draft could lead to some new way to get things "rubber stamped." If it did have that effect then I'd be against it, but that just seems like nonsense to be honest. S. > > > -Martin >