John Leslie wrote: > > >... > > But more to the point, I think that in a lot of cases where > > the IETF has done a good job, there has been running code > > before the WG even started... > > This perhaps explains where Stephen is coming from. Such > cases do exist; and it is arguable that the process Stephen has > describe in this draft are well-suited to such cases (though I > would still have to quibble about some details). > > I remain unconvinced, however, that fast-tracking the cases > that start from running code is a good use of WG efforts. Such > cases seem better suited to Independent Submissions from a > design team (which would _greatly_ speed the process). When > a WG is formed, IMHO, they should be encouraged to look at the > problem from some quite different angles, in search of a way > to "Simplify!". I also believe that being more honest about something that is more a design team effort than the result of more traditional WG work should probably carry through that notion of an Independent Submission, and, when being fast-tracked, that it is essentially a request for rubber-stamping. -Martin