> I belive you're drawing a distinction between conference call and > virtual interim which does not presently exist. It could, but doesn't. No, I am not doing that. I know that we call conference calls virtual interim meetings. I also attend various working group meetings during an IETF week just to see what is going on but I do not randomly join conference calls of groups where I am not subscribed. Are you joining calls of groups you do not care enough about to look at the mailing list? Ciao Hannes