On 3 Dec 2012, at 18:11, Fred Baker (fred) <fred@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > I agree with the notion that the primary purpose of the meeting is discussion. What you and I tell those who present in v6ops is that we want the presentation to guide and support a discussion, and anything that is pure presentation should take no more than half of the time allotted to them. I don't see that the tool is the problem, it's the user of the tool, and we all vary in our presentation/discussion skills. Exactly. If the "presentation" is one slide listing the key changes in the document since the last revision/meeting, and one slide per key question/issue being asked of the room, then that should help facilitate good discussion, not hinder it. What doesn't work is a 15 minute presentation of the current contents of a draft that leaves a couple of minutes for questions. It's not the tool, it's how it's used. And fwiw I think Fred and Joel have done a decent job of this in v6ops, and one of the things that's helped there is trimming out drafts that don't have evidence of a decent level of mail list discussion. Tim