sadly, too many of us remember writing on scrolls of acetate. i imagine that some remember stone and chisels. ok, just for a gedanken experiment of one extreme, o remove the projector. [ omg! how will we show the note hell? ] o if there is an active draft that *really* needs f2f discussion, allocate time to discussing it. if it does not *clearly* need face-time, discuss it on the mailing list. o no one is at the mic in front because there is no mic in front. o if folk really need to see a diagram, that is why the $dieties invented laptops. the few people who do not have laptops have those new-fangled tablet thingies. o if someone has not read the draft, stay seated and shut up. o if someone wants to float a new idea worth describing, then give them five or ten minutes on the agenda to ask others for input, no preso/ppt. randy --- Power corrupts; Powerpoint corrupts absolutely. -- Vint Cerf