On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 9:18 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Mon, 12 Nov 2012, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > >> For WGs that do *not* have a low bar for entry, a detailed complaint to >> the chairs and the AD would be very appropriate (and probably more effective >> than a rant on this list). > > > Well, it's hard to say what caused an email I sent (new thread, pitching > idea, asking if it was relevant to the WG) to not get responded to. > > Perhaps it was irrelevant or uninteresting but nobody wanted to say so. I > don't know, if I don't get a response, I tend not to push the issue. I can add another (likely) reason: low S/N ratio in everyone's mailbox. It happened to me too: I see an e-mail, I think it is interesting and that I should reply, the reply is not just a one-line-email and it requires so thought, so I say "I'll reply later," I get drowned under a ton of other mails and I forget about this one... It should not happen, I agree, but it does... You could say that if the message had enough interest for me, I would have replied at once and I can agree with that. The matter is that "interesting" is somehow in between "totally boring" and "life-or-death matter," so that an e-mail can have some interest and still remains unresponded too. About my strictly personal experience of the entry bar in IETF, I must say that when I went to Maastricht I was really impressed how I felt "welcomed" and part of the group, while carrying the red label of the rookie :-). ( BTW, part of my "welcomed" feeling was due also to the "reception for new attendants" and the "crash courses" for newcomers given the first day [suggestion for potential newcomers: go to that courses, it is worth it] ) I had my fair share of interaction (I am quite shy a guy, so it is not really in my nature to jump for the mike at every occasion) without feeling a "second class citizen" because of my newcomer status. However, this was *my* personal experience and your mileage may vary. Maybe if someone else interacts with people less friendly than the one I interacted with, they could experience a different situation. > > > -- > Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@xxxxxxxxx