arturo, many of us have the message that you think the ietf should meet in alyc. so qui bitching, find a locale/hotel, a host, and the connectivity in somewhere not too hard to reach (i.e. not a puddle-jumper for the last hour). then propose it for one or more of dates which are open. i'll leave my biases out of it, but there are many lovely cities in south america which i would love to see again. of course, all i will see is the inside of a frelling hotel, but that's life i guess. randy