Also note that RFC 3924 exists. On Jul 31, 2012, at 4:14 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > Loa, > > I can't speak for Scott, but I think the problem arises if any > IANA assignments are needed, regardless of RFC status. That's > because RFC 2804 speaks of "the process for creating and maintaining > IETF standards." IANA assignments are part of standards maintenance > (IMHO, of course). > > Don't forget that 2804 *also* says > > " - On the other hand, the IETF believes that mechanisms designed to > facilitate or enable wiretapping, or methods of using other > facilities for such purposes, should be openly described, so as to > ensure the maximum review of the mechanisms and ensure that they > adhere as closely as possible to their design constraints. The IETF > believes that the publication of such mechanisms, and the > publication of known weaknesses in such mechanisms, is a Good > Thing." > > So it's a delicate balance. > > Brian > > On 31/07/2012 11:40, Loa Andersson wrote: >> Scott, >> >> would you say that drafts aimed for experimental status are "standards >> work". >> >> /Loa >> >> On 2012-07-30 18:33, Scott O Bradner wrote: >>> 2804 does not say not to talk about such things - or that such >>> documents should >>> not be published as RFCs - 2804 says that the IETF will not do >>> standards work >>> in this area >>> >>> Scott >>> >>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 5:04 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >>> >>>> Under the long-standing IETF policy defined in RFC 2804, I trust >>>> we will not be discussing this draft, or >>>> draft-balaji-l2vpn-lawful-intercept-thru-label-dis, in the IETF. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Brian Carpenter >>>> >>>> On 30/07/2012 09:26, internet-drafts@xxxxxxxx wrote: >>>>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >>>>> directories. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Title : Label-based Provider-Provisioned Lawful >>>>> Intercept for L3 VPNs >>>>> Author(s) : Shankar Raman >>>>> Balaji Venkat Venkataswami >>>>> Gaurav Raina >>>>> Vasan Srini >>>>> Bhargav Bhikkaji >>>>> Filename : >>>>> draft-balaji-mpls-lawful-intercept-thru-label-dis-00.txt >>>>> Pages : 12 >>>>> Date : 2012-07-30 >>>>> >>>>> Abstract: >>>>> In models of Single-AS and inter-provider Multi- Protocol Label >>>>> Switching (MPLS) based Virtual Private Networks (VPNs) Lawful >>>>> Intercept is a key requirement. For example, MPLS-based Layer 3 VPN >>>>> models like VPLS and the like do not have any provider provisioned >>>>> methods of lawful intercept that are comprehensive, quick and >>>>> easy to >>>>> provision from one single point. More particularly the auto- >>>>> provisioning of lawful intercept for all sets of streams travelling >>>>> between VPN sites and consequent re-direction of these streams to >>>>> the >>>>> appropriate government network has not been covered without multiple >>>>> instances of having to configure the intercept at various points in >>>>> the network both in the Single-AS case and the Inter-Provider VPN >>>>> case. >>>>> >>>>> this paper, we propose a technique which uses a set of pre-defined >>>>> labels called Lawful Intercept labels and a method for provisioning >>>>> lawful intercept amongst the various PE devices using these labels >>>>> both in the Single-AS and the inter-provider VPN cases. A single >>>>> point of configuration is the key to this idea. The intercepted >>>>> traffic is mirrored on a PE or a whole set of PEs or on all the PEs >>>>> participating in the VPN. A technique called the Domino-effect >>>>> provisioning of these Label-based Provider Provisioned Lawful >>>>> Intercept mechanism is also outlined. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >>>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-balaji-mpls-lawful-intercept-thru-label-dis >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> There's also a htmlized version available at: >>>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-balaji-mpls-lawful-intercept-thru-label-dis-00 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >>>>> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> I-D-Announce mailing list >>>>> I-D-Announce@xxxxxxxx >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce >>>>> Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html >>>>> or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt >>>>> >>> >> > --Steve Bellovin, https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb