Re: Last Call: <draft-hoffman-tao4677bis-15.txt> (The Tao of IETF: A Novice's Guide to the Internet Engineering Task Force) to Informational RFC

[Eliot Lear <lear@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hi,

I agree with much of what Peter Saint-Andre wrote.  In addition I suggest the following changes:

• I've been told by some that the Mission of the IETF is in some way out of date.  I don't know whether this is true, but if it is, the reference should be removed.
• It's probably worth adding a word or two about the fact that the ISOC Board is the final appellate avenue in the standardization process.  In this way it may also make sense to move Section 3.2.1 further back behind the IAB.
• I don't know about anyone else, but my experience has changed with regard to there being a "fair amount of time for socializing".  I would say there is a modest amount of time for socializing.
• The Tao mentions that we meet once a year in each region.  I don't think that's true for Asia at this point.  The text might call out that we meet where there are participants, or words that the IAOC might provide.
  
• The last paragraph in Section 4 is outdated.  Everyone uses wireless these days– everywhere at nearly every meeting.
• 4.12 really should be a top level section (moved further back).
• Section 5 (Working Groups) really should be moved forward (after Section 3 but before what is now Section 4).
• Move acknowledgments to the back.  As it stands that text forms a disconnect between the Intro and later sections.

Finally I have been told that the Tao is meant to be a living document, e.g., a wiki.  Is that now not to be the case?

Eliot

On 5/31/12 12:56 AM, The IESG wrote:

The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider
the following document:
- 'The Tao of IETF: A Novice's Guide to the Internet Engineering Task
   Force'
  <draft-hoffman-tao4677bis-15.txt> as Informational RFC

The Tao of the IETF has grown a bit stale.  For example, many of the
tasks that were requested by email are now done with online tools,
completely avoiding manual intervention by the Secretariat.  This is
an effort to refresh the document.

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Abstract

   This document describes the inner workings of IETF meetings and
   Working Groups, discusses organizations related to the IETF, and
   introduces the standards process.  It is not a formal IETF process
   document but instead an informational overview.

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http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hoffman-tao4677bis/

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