On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 9:50 PM, Phillip Hallam-Baker <hallam@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Hannes Tschofenig > <hannes.tschofenig@xxxxxxx> wrote: >> Hi PHB, >> >> the IETF is not like an enterprise where you can decide (as part of the hiring process) what characteristics your employees should have. > > True, but that does not mean that you should decide that there is > nothing the IETF can do to change those characteristics or is in fact > doing albeit unintentionally. So, what would you do to adjust things ? Regards Marshall > > >> In a volunteer organization the offered topics drive the participation. Ask yourself: what you as someone who just finished a university education want to hang around in the IETF to standardize yet another IPv4/IPv6 transition mechanism or to participate in the MPLS-TP discussions? > > That is one aspect that might influence the decision. But there is a > huge amount of Internet development going on right now and the mean > age of the developers writing protocols is likely in the 20s. > > The IETF has a security area and an Apps area, its not just routing. > > >> When people suggest new work to the IETF they often see a strange reaction. I remember when Mozilla came to the IETF and proposed to work on the privacy topic "Do Not Track". I couldn't find support for doing the work in the IETF. I don't exactly know why people didn't like it but the W3C immediately picked it up and had seen lots of new companies (mostly from the advertising industry) joining the W3C. > > > And often the people who show them the door are people who contribute > absolutely nothing to the process other than their opinion. They don't > have any pull with the parties that are needed to act to deploy, they > don't have any real technical chops, they don't even have official > positions often. > > But when proposals are raised in IETF it only takes five or six people > in a WG who bring nothing to the table to kill an idea. > > Now that might be justified if the argument was that the idea was > likely to cause actual damage. But when the argument is 'I am not > convinced of the need for this' well whats the point? > > > I have just finished a couple of drafts that I have strong backing for > in my industry. The decision to deploy or not will be taken by my > industry, not the IETF. > > The reason I raised this is that I can see a generation gap in my > industry. The IETF has ceased to be the leading force in PKI standards > development because the younger engineers don't want to have to engage > here. > > > > -- > Website: http://hallambaker.com/