-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >>>>> "Phillip" == Phillip Hallam-Baker <hallam@xxxxxxxxx> writes: Phillip> A question arose on the RFC-interest list, I observed that Phillip> 20 years ago I was one of the youngest IETF participants Phillip> and 20 years later that still seems to be the case. Phillip> I see some grad students and some postdocs in their 20s but Phillip> not as many as I think there should be. By now at least a Phillip> third of the organization should be younger than me, Phillip> preferably half. That is certainly not what I see when I Phillip> attend IETFs. And yes, the lack of women is also highly Phillip> noticeable. I suspect your observation is correct, but the real question is: Is the IETF aging faster than - the population at large - the IT population in general - the network engineering population in general I also think that more and more "IETF" related work is now done at much larger companies than 20 years ago. The companies are more mainstream in their culture, are not startups. They run by older people who ignore the contributions of younger people, and in particular, do not feel a need to encourage their people to contribute to IETF. With money being less plentiful, and there being less low hanging fruit at the IETF, it simply takes more of a business case for a younger person, earlier in their career to argue for the time and money expensse of their participation. Finally, layer-5+ things are now way more cool. So, given a choice of IETF or RubyConf, a lot of younger people pick RubyConf... - -- ] He who is tired of Weird Al is tired of life! | firewalls [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works, Ottawa, ON |net architect[ ] mcr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.sandelman.ottawa.on.ca/ |device driver[ Kyoto Plus: watch the video <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzx1ycLXQSE> then sign the petition. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Finger me for keys iQEVAwUBT5q4N4CLcPvd0N1lAQLbKwf8DeXPPU/eQdpkZw5vSQOccirk20CExZZL eil8AQV1hAZP1zp8rMeJ2O4yYl6Xxjvj2ByPKk14yYQLU85pZIsb0/h1txwONwNg KOtd9L1OsAr18O/977Mzqqw7UKHb5rwSOQ3hhqB3dU9Px3fPyoUNw02ABwp32GjR ZyfxP0ThC1o3u3SMciOfR7IX01fZlgIzfyrB2MIg5D0W+PH7dsx39R/KeMw0cAL1 2I3vcid2dgYGW4M/MEZLEUgRRs/a2kWL9/+6FRsMzUB6I3j/D2UHXlXRKg7hgV0x IsAZsigOSu7ybYNwH469cjYBMKkxjoLZh7TyuvjbvPKshLhXjJd70Q== =KOa/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----