Today virtually no IETF protocols take into account US or any other countries copyright laws with regard to Internet based content. Content like domain names, DNS events, and BGP4 routes are also in addition to the obvious publication events like a websites content, are in fact also IP impinged. So the question is what happens when a priority provide with a peering relationship claims (c) against a set of Internet Routes... it is coming I think. That said - I am proposing that there is a need to figure out now with regard to IETF projects whether the content flowing through the technology will have legal impact attached to it and in those instances provide the proper information management and IP noticing controls. Yes I am very sure this annoys the anarchists and anti-intellectual property people here and you folks have done a great job up until now, except you have failed to change the world. That said - the win hear is in not fighting in changing the laws by going to war with the superpowers - they will just hire technologists to replace us as a class and much sooner than you think too... If we don't put both proper IP controls into our processes and into the actual work product so that its use can also respect the same laws we built the IP to operate under the Government's trying to enforce those laws will make official changes in who represents their interest in the IETF and what effect the IETF has on there routing. What I am telling you is that ISOC has no where near enough power to protect the IETF from IP fraud complaints at a national level. And if they were stupid enough to try - which they might, it would be catastrophic. My take is formal pull out of the DNS Root because all of the peering contracts say nothing about whose root must be used. Its that simple. Governments will tell foreign carriers that their route copyrights are now enforceable and that's it. If the carriers want to serve in that country they will pay. This is serious stuff. The world Internet is changing - the wild west is dying out, and accountable at the content level is happening today. Rather than trying to stop that we need to make it possible for our masters to meet their goals through our work or we need to make public disclosure who's goals as individuals we serve. Disclosure is key - and disclose everywhere. No vapor - no vacuum no lies. Todd -- Todd S. Glassey This is from my personal email account and any materials from this account come with personal disclaimers. Further I OPT OUT of any and all commercial emailings. _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf