> >Why is Qian Sun still listed on the front page as an author. > >Wouldn't it be more > >appropriate to move the name to the Acknowledgements section where the > > text could read... > > As editorship is a WG Chair decision, it is up to the SIEVE WG Chairs > to comment on why Qian Sun is still listed on the front page as an author. > > >Some of the text of this document was provided by Qian Sun who > > violated IETF IPR process by not disclosing related IPR that he had > > also authored and so is not listed as a named author of this document. > > The above text does not mention company affiliation. I have not made any statement about what the company has done. > There is the following in the text in IPR statements: > > "Note: The individual submitting this template represents and > warrants that he or she is authorized by the Patent Holder to > agree to the above-selected licensing declaration." > > The name provided in the IPR statement is "Director of licensing". I don't view *disclosing* as a problem here. In fact disclosure is to be encouraged. My issue is with the individual. BCP 79 is very clear about individual responsibilities wrt IPR that they are aware of. It is the individual who breaks the IETF's IPR policy if they make contributions when there is IPR that they are aware of that is not disclosed in a timely fashion. > The violation has a negative impact on the IETF (see comment from > Dave Crocker on this thread). It raises questions which should not be asked. Questions that should not be asked should not, by definition, be asked. I wonder if you are concerned about corporate and anti-trust issues. AFAICS, this issue has nothing to do with that. I do agree that sanctions applied to individuals should be proportionate and should consider the circumstances. I am also interested in the discussion about whether moving an author's name from the front page to the Acknowledgements (with an explanation) would have an impact on discussions of IPR policy violation in court. This will need professional legal advice - my feeling was that previous I-D versions would still show the author as previously listed (including the revision of the I-D at the time the IPR was disclosed), and that the note in the Acknowledgements section and the discussion on IETF lists (e.g. the WG list) would provide traceability on the reasoning. But I come back to this point because I think it is important: the violation here is of the individual contributor's responsibility under BCP79. Cheers, Adrian _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf