The problem here is fear of the unknown. A small clique that has a very narrow set of interests (and not ones I find very important) has by tradition and inertia been left to decide this issue according to what suits them. Proposing to introduce a third scheme and even more confusion is a bad technical strategy but possibly an effective political strategy. It is like threatening civil disobedience, once someone decides that they care enough to risk breaking the system it becomes much harder to defend the status quo.
I agree with Brian's points about the fact that time is an arbitrary quantity. One relativity is considered, time becomes a mindbendlingly complex notion. The poles are moving at a different speed relative to the equator for a start. And the orbit of the earth is chaotic. Oh the fun people can have if they want to try to issue correction factors.
Add to that the fact that the prime meridian is located on a tectonic plate that is essentially floating on a sea of molten magma.
Let time be time and let people who want to tie physical phenomena to time work out the relevant correction factors.
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Marshall Eubanks <marshall.eubanks@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Tony Finch <dot@xxxxxxxx> wrote:All of these are computer controlled now-a-days, and have been for
> Nick Hilliard <nick@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> Your arguments in favour of abolishing leap seconds are all good. But can
>> you please do us all a favour and provide a similarly lucid list of reasons
>> that an apologist would use to say that leap seconds should be kept.
>
> I agree that leap seconds are a horrible bodge that would be best got rid
> of. The reasons to keep them mainly revolve around systems that require
> UT1, i.e. the angle of rotation of the Earth, and the protocols that
> disseminate UT1.
>
> These include:
> Astronomical systems
> Space and satellite ground stations
> Time broadcast standards
>
some time. Even in the 1980's, the computer systems used
UT1, not UTC.
Not so much the professional ones.
> Many protocols and software implementations rely on the guarantee that
> DUT1 (the difference between UTC and UT1) is less than 0.9s. For instance
> many time broadcast formats don't have space for larger values of DUT1.
>
> Many instruments that point at the sky rely on the fact that DUT1 <
> 0.9s for establishing an initial rough aim.
Look at Daniel Gambis' survey
Preprint-668
(~ 75% in favor of not changing anything).
Yes. Note that for the same reason leap seconds will, in a century or so, start
>
> At a more philosophical level a lot of people find it difficult to accept
> the idea of decoupling time from Earth rotation, to the extent that they
> say it is obvious nonsense or foolishness, even though the rate error is
> only one second every year or two. However UT1 is slowing down
> quadratically, so the time scales will diverge increasingly rapidly.
to come very frequently.
My actual proposal, if I were to make one, would be to keep UTC, but
>
> We can paper over this difference by adjusting time zones every few
> hundred years. In fact time zone adjustments will work further into the
> future than leap seconds. But speculating about what will happen that far
> into the future is foolish.
>
> Numbers for divergence between UTC and TAI:
> http://www.ucolick.org/~sla/leapsecs/dutc.html#dutctable
to make TAI "Internet time" and try and
move most electronic things to TAI, keeping UTC only for civil time.
Note that time is tricky and slippery and _any_ change, even this one,
will have some painful consequences, for somebody, and past
experience is that some of those won't be found until the change is made.
Regards
Marshall
>
> Tony.
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