On 11/28/11 12:58 , Jorge Contreras wrote: > On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 2:35 PM, GTW <gtw@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > <mailto:gtw@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote: > > __ > Ted, I like your approach of enquiring what problem we are striving > to solve and I like Russ's concise answer that it is "Recent suits > against other SDOs that is the source of the concern" > > Russ, what are some of the "Recent suits against other SDOs" It > would be good to pin down the problem we are addressing > > There is FTC and N-data matter from 2008 > http://www.gtwassociates.com/alerts/Ndata1.htm > > > George -- one recent example is the pending antitrust suit by True > Position against ETSI, 3GPP and several of their members (who also > employ some IETF participants, I believe). Here is some relevant > language from the Complaint: When or if that suit is concluded you may be able to divine whether the antitrust policy of either SDO was of any value. > "100. By their failures to monitor and enforce the SSO Rules, and to > respond to TruePosition's specific complaints concerning violations of > the SSO Rules, 3GPP and ETSI have acquiesced in, are responsible for, > and complicit in, the abuse of authority and anticompetitive conduct by > Ericsson, Qualcomm, and Alcatel-Lucent. These failures have resulted in > the issuance of a Release 9 standard tainted by these unfair processes, > and for the delay until Release 11, at the earliest, of a 3GPP standard > for UTDOA positioning technology. By these failures, 3GPP and ETSI have > authorized and ratified the anticompetitive conduct of Ericsson, > Qualcomm, and Alcatel-Lucent and have joined in and become parties to > their combination and conspiracy." > > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf