text/lp [was Re: discouraged by .docx was Re: Plagued by PPTX again]

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The problem here is that RFC and Internet-Drafts are not plain ASCII.  They are
technically in a special format that I would call "line-printer ready text
file", and ASCII is the encoding, not the format.  What is needed is:

- - A mime-type for line-printer ready text (say text/lp)
- - An heuristic to recognize text/lp files (it's too late for a specific
extension).  Apache HTTP server can use the AddType directive for these files[1].
- - A program to display text/lp files, one at least for each platform.  If
someone take care of the mime-type, I'll write the program to display correctly
text/lp files on the Android platform.


[1] Try this link: http://ietf.implementers.org/rfc5928.txt.  The mime type
should be text/lp.

On 11/27/2011 12:20 AM, Yaakov Stein wrote:
> Dave
> 
> I agree that we are thinking as "content creators", and that is the problem.
> 
> The requirement is not that we will be able to write a new document in 50 years in the same format. 
> The requirement is that we should be able to read the documents written 50 years before.
> 
> The problem about ASCII art is not simply the monospacing.
> The main problem is the line wrapping.
> 
> I have tried many times to look at ASCII art on iPhones, iPods, and even small pads. 
> Once you zoom down sufficiently to get the lines not to break, 
> the characters are no longer readable.
> For a screen size of about 60 mm, 80 character lines means that the characters are only 0.75mm in width.
> Even assuming a "short" figure that could be viewed rotated (width 110 mm)
> each character width would be only slightly more than the 1 mm needed for viewing,
> and less than the 1.5 mm needed for actual reading.
>  
> Put in another way, high-end cellphone screens presently have 640 pixel widths.
> For 80 character layouts, this translates to 8 pixels per character plus inter-character spacing,
> or about 6 pixel character widths. 
> Even were they visible (and each pixel is less than 1/10 of a mm!)
> this would mean very low quality fonts - 5*7 was the lowest quality used by old dot-matrix printers.
> And modern software is not optimized for readability at that font resolution.
> 
> So, if we expect people to be able to read our documents in 5 years, let alone 50,
> we need to stop using ASCII art.
> 
> Y(J)S
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx [mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dave Aronson
> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 00:10
> To: IETF Discussion
> Subject: Re: discouraged by .docx was Re: Plagued by PPTX again
> 
> On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 15:52, Yaakov Stein <yaakov_s@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
>> ASCII is already unreadable on many popular devices
> 
> Oh?  For what reason?  Sorry, I'm still using an incredibly stupid
> phone, so I may be behind the curve on such changes.  As far as I've
> seen in my limited exposure, any difficulty is usually because it's
> often not linewrapped well (or at all), forcing a lot of horizontal
> scrolling, especially after being forced to be big enough to be
> legible on tiny screens not held right up to the face.  That's rather
> inconvenient, but still a far cry from "unreadable" -- plus it's a
> problem with the reader program (being too "featureless" to rewrap the
> text), not anything inherent in the format.
> 
> ASCII *artwork*, yes, that often gets ruined by the refusal of many
> programs to allow the user  to display content in a monospaced font.
> But that's not because it's in plain ASCII; you could say the same
> thing of a Word or PDF document that incorporates "ASCII" art.
> 
>> I am referring to the fact that more and more people are reading
>> documents on cell-phones and other small devices.
>> According to analysts, this will be the most popular platform for reading
>> material from the Internet within a few years.
> 
> But among what audience?  End-users at large, yes, I can certainly
> believe that.  But techies, especially of sufficient caliber to even
> *want* to read the IETF's output, let alone participate in creating
> it?  Very doubtful.  I don't think we'll be giving up our laptops,
> never mind large monitors, any time soon.
> 
> Phones and tablets are for content *consumption*.  We are content
> *creators*, be it programs, documents, or whatever.  That's an
> entirely different set of hardware requirements.  When was the last
> time you saw a program or document or anything else of significant
> size, written using a phone, or even a tablet?
> 
> -Dave
> 
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