--On Sunday, October 30, 2011 23:01 -0400 Suresh Krishnan <suresh.krishnan@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> I noticed that the term "transparency of the process" only >> appears in two of the three questionnaires. Is there a >> reason for the omission? > > The omission is intentional. The text in question > ("transparency of the process") is about the handling of > appeals. Since the IAOC is not involved in the handling of > appeals the text does not appear in the IAOC questionnaire, But, Suresh, one of the more critical issues faced by the IAOC is precisely about transparency of process, even if it is not about appeals. The IESG and IAB have gotten hugely better about transparency in recent years -- narrative minutes and much more tracking that is available to the community for the former and clear opportunities for community review and feedback on documents and other important actions for the latter. I think the Nomcom should understand how candidates feel about that sort of transparency, but I wouldn't expect anyone to tell you that more secrecy would be in order. The IAOC is a different matter and, ironically, is the body for whom you didn't ask about transparency. The discussions leading up to BCP 101 led many of us to believe that it was generally assumed that the IAOC and IASA were obligated to be completely open and transparent, and to allow community review prior to taking action, at least for any decision for which contractual or business requirements didn't make that implausible or impossible. We seem to have a twitch (some might use stronger terms) about that every six months or so. For example, in February a couple of RFPs were announced, the IAOC was questioned on whether there should be an opportunity for community review, and ultimately decided to ask for that review and then reissue the RFPs. The same question came up last month and the two key IAOC responses (at least from my reading of the traffic) were "we didn't think it would be useful for the community to review these" and "BCP 101 didn't tell us explicitly that we have to put these things out for review, so we didn't and won't". If anyone on the IAOC had a significant disagreement with either of those positions, it wasn't obvious from the IETF list. In fairness to the IAOC members, it is clear that they are busy and can be much more efficient if they don't get drafts together and ask and wait for community comment (which might not come) before proceeding. I think that the Nomcom needs to figure out what it thinks about transparency and openness of IAOC actions, including the tradeoff with efficiency and other issues, and to consider that issue when evaluating candidates. It is not clear to me how well you can do that when the questions aren't asked. regards, john _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf