Re: [Softwires] [BEHAVE] Last Call: <draft-ietf-behave-v4v6-bih-06.txt> (Dual Stack Hosts Using "Bump-in-the-Host" (BIH)) to Proposed Standard

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On Sep 28, 2011, at 8:12 PM, Cameron Byrne wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 9:26 AM, Mark Townsley <mark@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>>> +1 ... since the alternative is that apps that require ipv4 sockets and
>>>> pass ipv4 literals are stranded on ipv6 only networks.
>>>> 
>>>> Running code on the n900 shows that nat464 provides real user and
>>>> network benefit
>> 
>> Frankly, I preferred it when you were running IPv6-only without BIH on your trial, providing pressure to get rid of all those stranded literals and pushing apps to open ipv6 sockets :-/
>> 
>> - Mark
> 
> We're still doing that, and IPv6-only is still my philosophical
> preference and that is how we are launching the IPv6 + NAT64/DNS64
> service into the production mobile network (real soon now).  No change
> in that path.
> 
> But some "power users" wanted their IPv4-only applications like Skype
> to work so they coded a NAT46 work-around for the N900.  It is clever,
> it works.

Ah, so it's not a model developed and (necessarily) supported by you. Thanks for the clarification. 

Yes, it makes sense that this would end up happening as the hosts evolve to what the network provides.

- Mark

> 
> Their process of feeling the pain of a very few pesky IPv4-only apps
> and working around it is all documented here:
> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60320
> 
> Running NAT46 code here: http://code.google.com/p/n900ipv6/wiki/Nat64D
> 
> In the end (as well as IPv6-only near term in mobile), IP version
> agnostic apps will prove to be more reliable and therefore will get
> more market share.
> 
> Cameron

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