RE: [BEHAVE] [Softwires] Last Call: <draft-ietf-behave-v4v6-bih-06.txt> (Dual Stack Hosts Using "Bump-in-the-Host" (BIH)) to Proposed Standard

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Hi Cameron,

Very interesting (& clever indeed). 


How does this clever code ensure that all but a few (pesky apps)
continue to use IPv6 interface instead of the NAT46 interface?

Cheers,
Rajiv


> -----Original Message-----
> From: behave-bounces@xxxxxxxx [mailto:behave-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of
> Cameron Byrne
> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 2:12 PM
> To: Mark Townsley
> Cc: Hui Deng; Softwires-wg list; Behave WG; IETF Discussion; Dan Wing
(dwing)
> Subject: Re: [BEHAVE] [Softwires] Last Call:
<draft-ietf-behave-v4v6-bih-
> 06.txt> (Dual Stack Hosts Using "Bump-in-the-Host" (BIH)) to Proposed
Standard
> 
> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 9:26 AM, Mark Townsley <mark@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
> >
> >
> >>> +1 ... since the alternative is that apps that require ipv4
sockets and
> >>> pass ipv4 literals are stranded on ipv6 only networks.
> >>>
> >>> Running code on the n900 shows that nat464 provides real user and
> >>> network benefit
> >
> > Frankly, I preferred it when you were running IPv6-only without BIH
on your
> trial, providing pressure to get rid of all those stranded literals
and
> pushing apps to open ipv6 sockets :-/
> >
> > - Mark
> 
> We're still doing that, and IPv6-only is still my philosophical
> preference and that is how we are launching the IPv6 + NAT64/DNS64
> service into the production mobile network (real soon now).  No change
> in that path.
> 
> But some "power users" wanted their IPv4-only applications like Skype
> to work so they coded a NAT46 work-around for the N900.  It is clever,
> it works.
> 
> Their process of feeling the pain of a very few pesky IPv4-only apps
> and working around it is all documented here:
> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60320
> 
> Running NAT46 code here: http://code.google.com/p/n900ipv6/wiki/Nat64D
> 
> In the end (as well as IPv6-only near term in mobile), IP version
> agnostic apps will prove to be more reliable and therefore will get
> more market share.
> 
> Cameron
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