RE: [BEHAVE] ... Dual Stack Hosts Using "Bump-in-the-Host" (BIH))

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rémi Després [mailto:remi.despres@xxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 3:13 AM
> To: Dan Wing
> Cc: 'Softwires-wg'; 'Behave WG'; 'IETF discussion list'; 'Teemu
> Savolainen'
> Subject: Re: [BEHAVE] ... Dual Stack Hosts Using "Bump-in-the-Host"
> (BIH))
> 
> 
> Le 29 sept. 2011 à 23:50, Dan Wing a écrit :
> 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Rémi Després [mailto:remi.despres@xxxxxxx]
> >> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 5:14 AM
> >> To: Softwires-wg
> >> Cc: Dan Wing; Teemu Savolainen; Satoru Matsushima; IETF discussion
> >> list; Behave WG
> >> Subject: Re: [BEHAVE] ... Dual Stack Hosts Using "Bump-in-the-Host"
> >> (BIH))
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> Le 27 sept. 2011 à 21:10, Dan Wing a écrit :
> >>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: teemu.savolainen@xxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:teemu.savolainen@xxxxxxxxx]
> >> ...
> >>>> I mean does existing
> >>>> applications work better if double translation is done in
> >> deterministic
> >>>> manner?
> >>>
> >>> Yes, it allows the CPE to implement an ALG -- if an application
> needs
> >>> an ALG (e.g., active-mode FTP).
> >>
> >> +1
> >>
> >> As Softwire is concerned, it is worth noting here that, with
> >> encapsulation rather than double translation, NO ALG is ever needed.
> >> (Neither in ISP Border Relay nodes, nor in CPEs, nor in BIH hosts).
> >
> > Do a message flow for active mode FTP with 4rd.
> 
> Two cases (which I din't differentiate, sorry for that).
> a) The hosts handles 4rd
> b) The host is behind a NAT44 (
> 
> In case b), an ALG is needed as usual, as the CPE-NAT44 does its usual
> job for that.
> Case a) was assumed to apply to this discussion, considering a host
> that is directly the 4rd CE.
> 
> >  I did one, and
> > it needs an ALG in the 4rd NAPT44 function.
> 
> In case a), the host can assign to an FTP application a pair of ports
> of its assigned range.
> Thus no translation is needed (e2e transparency).
> 
> OK?

If BIH worked that way, BIH would fail when the host has multiple
interfaces running, and those interfaces have different port
ranges.

-d


> RD
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > -d
> >
> >> It is sometimes argued that double translation could be as simple
> than
> >> encapsulation.
> >> AFAIK, this discussion clearly indicates the contrary.
> >> (No ALGs eliminates any variants about where to put them.)
> >>
> >> RD
> >
> >
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