> -----Original Message----- > From: Hui Deng [mailto:denghui02@xxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 2:52 AM > To: Dan Wing > Cc: teemu.savolainen@xxxxxxxxx; satoru.matsushima@xxxxxxxxx; > ietf@xxxxxxxx; softwires@xxxxxxxx; behave@xxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: [BEHAVE] Last Call: <draft-ietf-behave-v4v6-bih-06.txt> > (Dual Stack Hosts Using "Bump-in-the-Host" (BIH)) to Proposed Standard > > inline please, > > > 2011/9/27 Dan Wing <dwing@xxxxxxxxx> > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: teemu.savolainen@xxxxxxxxx > [mailto:teemu.savolainen@xxxxxxxxx] > > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 11:14 PM > > To: dwing@xxxxxxxxx; satoru.matsushima@xxxxxxxxx; ietf@xxxxxxxx > > Cc: softwires@xxxxxxxx; behave@xxxxxxxx > > Subject: RE: [BEHAVE] Last Call: <draft-ietf-behave-v4v6-bih- > 06.txt> > > (Dual Stack Hosts Using "Bump-in-the-Host" (BIH)) to Proposed > Standard > > > > > > I believe the objection is against "non-deterministic > translation", > > rather > > than > > > stateful versus stateless. By non-deterministic, I mean that > the > > subscriber's > > > equipment (e.g., CPE) cannot determine the mapping it will > have on > > the > > > Internet. A+P mechanisms are deterministic (including 4rd, > Dual-IVI, > > and > > > draft-ymbk-aplus-p). > > > > > > A stateful CGN, as commonly deployed, is not deterministic. > > > > I don't understand why that is significant enough factor for > IETF to > > (not) > > recommend some double translation variants. I mean does > existing > > applications work better if double translation is done in > deterministic > > manner? > > > Yes, it allows the CPE to implement an ALG -- if an application > needs > an ALG (e.g., active-mode FTP). > > > > Are you saying distrbiuted ALG is much better than centralized ALG? Best is no ALG. Worse is one ALG. Even worse is two ALGs. -d > -Hui > > > > -d > > > > One reasoning against double translation has been that it > > breaks > > some class of applications. Is it now so that some forms of > double > > translation do not break applications while some others do? > > > > Teemu > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Behave mailing list > Behave@xxxxxxxx > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/behave > > _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf