> 1) Did the IESG consider processing this as RFC 3933 process experiment? How on Earth could that possibly work? First, simply the fact of the experiment will almost certainly prompt people to participate, resulting in a number of specs upgrading from PS to IS during the experiment... regardless of whether that pattern would continue afterward. The experiment would be entirely tainted by its own existence, and would appear to succeed regardless of whether the change will actually help in the long term or not. Second, should we decide that the experiment failed and we do not want to continue the process change, what happens to all the IS documents that advanced from PS during the experiment? Are they rolled back to DS? Do they stay at IS? In the former case, what does that do to assumptions that had been made on the basis of IS status? If the latter case, how is that fair to documents that didn't have the opportunity to "skip" a rung in the ladder? And wouldn't that be even *more* of an incentive for people to push their docs from PS to IS during the experiment, exacerbating the first effect? Doing this as a process experiment doesn't make any sense; we either make this change, or we don't. And we need to stop wasting time arguing about it. Barry _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf