> > -----Original Message----- > > From: John C Klensin [mailto:john-ietf@xxxxxxx] > > Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 9:19 AM > > To: Murray S. Kucherawy; ietf@xxxxxxxx > > Subject: RE: I-D Working groups and mailing list > > > > (4) Others (probably a partially overlapping group with (3)) > > just find more rules and requirements for more boilerplate > > undesirable. They would (at least mostly) be happy if lots of > > off-list notes went to authors of I-Ds for which the discussion > > forum wasn't clear, asking them about the discussion forum and > > recommending that it be included in the next draft. But flip it around and see what you get: Why should I, as a document author who wants to notify people where the discussion of the draft should take place, be forced to use either an ad-hoc location in the document or have to send out a bunch of additional emails? Why can't there be an *OPTIONAL* well known location in our draft format (and corresponding XML element(s)) that automated tools can pick up on so at a minimum this information can go out as part of the new draft notifications? In other words, the issue of whether or not there's a well defined way to incorporate this information is almost entirely orthogonal to whether or not we require it's presence. > > That might > > actually encourage discussion and would be as, or more, > > effective at retraining authors than more rules. > This is my preference. If the author(s) don't include a "discuss this here" > section, then they're inviting direct comments, and maybe that's what they > prefer. In that case the author can simply list their own address as the discussion contact point. Why should have dig through an entire document looking for this information or check my email for a separate message about it? > If not, they will quickly learn to either find or create a forum, even if > that's just ietf@xxxxxxxx, and mention such in the draft. > If it ain't broke, don't fix it. But what we have now *is* broken, or at least fairly suboptimal. Ned _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf