>>>>> On Mon, 1 Aug 2011 16:27:55 -0700, Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@xxxxxxxx> said: PH> Or, (3), specify somewhere that the submission window opens at the PH> beginning of the meeting and allow WG chairs to decide what they PH> want to do about new drafts. In the case last week, the draft was PH> turned in and posted to the mailing list on Monday ahead of the PH> meeting on Friday; the chairs seemed to like that. It all comes down to "how to best get information to those that need it (as fast as possible)". I too, read the older version of the draft that being discussed and didn't realize there was a new one because I rarely get to *all* of my mail during IETF weeks (I'm too busy talking in the hallways to read email). That being said, I think forward progress on drafts are most likely to happen *during* IETF meetings in hallways and thus it's impossible to enter a WG meeting and assume that no thinking has changed in the 3 weeks since the last draft was published. IE, this has nothing to do with the drafts themselves. It has to do with communication of changebars. In the case where significant changes have taken place in thinking (documented or not) because of conversations or work that has commenced since the cut-off date, it should be the responsibility of the authors to give a quick summary early in the meeting about recent progress, as it's indeed unfair to assume everyone in the audience hasn't printed and read everything only an hour before the meeting and were present in every conversation that occurred over the cookie table (regardless of whether there were actually cookies or just crumbs there). It should also be up to the chairs to bug the authors about making sure that any recent changes are, in fact, at least listed or presented in detail depending on what's best for the meeting. You can't hold a discussion half the participants have only half the information. It doesn't matter who's fault it was. It only matters that it's a problem. -- Wes Hardaker SPARTA, Inc. _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf