--On Saturday, July 16, 2011 14:41 -0400 Barry Leiba <barryleiba@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> Barry, > ... >> So, if only to increase my understanding, why do you think >> reviewing this type of document (presumably through multiple >> cycles as we quibble about language, etc.) is worth a Last >> Call and the community's time? > > John, you've mis-addressed this. It's Mykyta who wants to do > it ,not I. I think it's at least as much a waste of time as > you do. The only reason I reviewed it and commented on the > language at all was that Mykyta said Russ had agreed to > shepherd it. Either it needs to be published as it is, > without further waste of time, or it needs to go away. In case it isn't clear, I vote "go away" rather than wasting even the amount of resources that would be required to publish it substantially as is. The community has to be able to say "this isn't worth the energy" and establish consensus around that. I suspect we agree about that; I'm just surprised and chagrined that you, Harald, myself, and others are needing to spend energy reading and understanding this and similar things before we can reach that conclusion. john _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf