Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic

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This line of discussion is not productive... 

Between them the 4 largest north american wireless carriers need ~18 /8s to assign public ipv4 addresses to their wireless cpe... they don't have that and there's no-where to get it, then there's the rest of the world.
 
On Jul 2, 2011, at 9:45 PM, Mark Smith wrote:

> On Sat, 2 Jul 2011 21:02:02 -0700
> Cameron Byrne <cb.list6@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> <snip>
>> In the meantime, i null route the 6to4 anycast address because it
>> creates half open state in my CGN.  Been doing that for at least 5
>> years.
> 
> 
> So, to be clear, you're not making an observation that 6to4 is broken,
> based on measurement or actual use, you're actively breaking it.
> 
>> My next step is filtering AAAA over IPv4 access because 6to4
>> client brokeness won't die on its own, that will be rolled out in a
>> few months.  Operating a network means making the tweeks that keep the
>> wheels rolling, and we don't find many technology purist in my line of
>> work.
>> 
> 
> I think the root cause of your issues is the deployment of IPv4 CGN in
> the first place before IANA and the RIRs ran out of IPv4 addresses by
> the sounds of it. I think then means that any protocol that your
> customers try to use that would create unwanted state in your IPv4 CGN
> should be, by your definition, declared "historic", not just 6to4. When
> a customer signs up to your service, are they informed as to which
> protocols and applications they are allowed to use? My opinion is that
> if there are restrictions on what protocols and applications customers
> can operate then their service is not a real Internet service. The
> majority of, if not all, residential broadband service providers in my
> market hold the same belief - it seems to be the "pure" mobile
> carriers that commonly don't.
> 
>> Other access providers like 6to4 so much that they want to NAT it.
>> This is the reason why historic is the proper term.
>> 
>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kuarsingh-v6ops-6to4-provider-managed-tunnel-02
>> 
>> I look forward to that discussion on ietf@
>> 
>> Cameron
>> 
>> 
>>> Keith
>>> 
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