--On Saturday, June 11, 2011 01:34 +1200 Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >... > You're correct that some ISPs will try to get monopoly rents > out of the IPv4 shortage, and use CGN to capture customers in > walled gardens, but fortunately capitalism provides a solution > to such misbehaviour: other ISPs can deploy IPv6 as a > competitive advantage. Sure. Assuming that there is realistic competition, or a realistic possibility of competition, in the relevant market. Keith, Ned, and others have described a situation in which there are few realistic choices of ISPs and the attitude of all of them toward getting IPv6 deployed to endpoints runs from bad to worse. In that marketplace situation, capitalism is as likely to predict a "no one goes first" outcome as it is to predict that one of the ISPs will suddenly decide that deploying IPv6 will give them a competitive advantage... and give that competitive advantage even after the additional training costs for their own staffs, support costs for customers, equipment and software, etc., are considered. That situation really isn't much different than it was several years ago. If I'm in an area where competition is permitted, I'm a large enough customer to be talking about dedicated fiber to my premises in the multiple DS3 range or above, and I call up my ISP (or my router vendors, or...) and say "sell me IPv6 or I'm going to find it somewhere else", the threat is credible and I'll probably set either them or their competitors scrambling. If I'm in a situation that is closer to a SOHO one, in much of the world there is no effective competition, I'm not seen as having much leverage, and the scenario for my getting native IPv6 is a lot more dependent on internal strategic decisions (or wishful thinking) in those ISPs and not on competition issues except very indirectly or at all. john john _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf