You folks have had it easy in your interactions with ISPs. When I tried not too long ago with various ISPs in my area, I was unable to reach anyone at either of the big ISPs who knew what "IPv6" even meant. Both promised callbacks, neither did. The more interesting response was from a small ISP. They knew exactly what I was talking about, and told me (a) The IPv4 address shortage is nothing but a "scare tactic", (b) They currently have no plans to offer IPv6, and (c) If they ever did offer it "would only be with T1/T3 services, Colocation, and Managed Servers and not DSL". Those are verbatim quotes from their response. And here's another data point, this time in the SOHO router space. My new router is advertised as being "IPv6 ready", but the firmware it came with has no IPv6 support whatsoever. When I contacted the vendor about this, I was informed that I could get a special firmware build that supports IPv6, but it would be an "as-is" thing based on an earlier release so there may be some loss of functionality in other areas. I then asked why they don't have support in their current product, I was told it's because they are worried about their support staff being inundated with questions and problems. Given the dearth of IPv6 support from other vendors in this product area, I can't say I blame them. Anyone who doesn't believe we have a major marketing problem here isn't paying attention. Ned _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf