On 12 apr 2011, at 1:39, Doug Barton wrote: >> http://bens.me.uk/2011/adventures-in-ipv6 What a bunch of whining. When I first started doing IPv4 it was much harder than this. >> Of course, I think the conclusion is basically wrong, *not* doing >> IPv6 is much worse than breaking the finger-pointing circle, and >> making it work by whatever means necessary. > "Much worse" for who? Just because we (may) believe that IPv6 is the way forward doesn't mean that the providers or consumers of Internet services will agree with us. I'm sure most airline passengers have few opinions on the merits of wingtips, either. The engineers can tell you they are a good thing. We don't let the public's ignorance override that judgement. > The consumers just want to watch their videos and read their mail. The providers just want to sell them that capability. IPv6 needs to solve more problems than it creates, or else it's not the right answer. It's too late for that discussion now. If there is some aspect to IPv6 that is broken, we need to fix it as soon as possible. But IPv6 is been around for 15 years with ONE WEEK to go before APNIC runs dry of addresses it can give out through the regular process, so debating the merits of design choices now is pointless. If you read that whiney blogpost you'll see that none of it is about problems that the IETF can fix. It's also important that we show a little understanding and compassion when people whine (unlike what I've been doing here) but only a little, mostly we have to convey that IPv6 is ready for prime time and no negotiation is possible at this point. It's strange, but people actually get angrier when you agree with them when they complain. They want and expect you to hold your ground while they vent and afterwards they are usually ready to face reality. _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf