Re: I-D Action:draft-housley-two-maturity-levels-04.txt

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On 2011-03-16 11:22, Martin Rex wrote:
> Dave CROCKER wrote:
>> Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>>>     Any documents that are still classified as Draft Standard two years
>>>     after the publication of this RFC will be automatically downgraded
>>>     to Proposed Standard.
>> 1.  While the accounting ugliness of leaving these untouched is obvious,
>> I am less clear about the practical trouble they cause.  We should gain
>> some public agreement that this is seriousness enough to worry about,
>> and why.
>>
>> 2. Automatic reclassification strikes me as dangerous and likely to have
>> serious unintended consequences.
> 
> 
> I don't understand the motivation about changing anything about
> the status of documents that have already been published.
> 
> Among the original complaints there were the two:
> 
>  - the IETF is confusing the non-IETFers about the standardization
>    with its three levels of document maturity
> 
>  - the bar for Proposed is too high and ought to be lowered.
> 
> 
> Unless the clear intent and IETF consensus is to add
> 
>  - mislead _everyone_ about the real document maturity of *ALL*
>    IETF documents, including all existing documents

If we do the reclassification correctly, nobody will be misled.

> 
>  - penalize all folks did put effort into going to "Draft Standard"
>    by completely nixing their effort two years later.

That's why my personal preference is what I already suggested -
just label them all as Internet Standard. But in fact, the
proposed bar for promotion from DS to Internet Standard is pretty
low. I doubt that any deserving document will lose out.

There are 85 DS documents today. If each IETF Area does its own
bulk promotion, that averages at 12 documents per area -
not an enormous job.

> 
> 
> the status of the existing documents should NOT be touched by any new
> rules for publishing documents as Proposed Standards.

Disagree. If we don't reclassify, people will be puzzled for the
next 50 years by the residual DS documents.

> 
> To make clear which documents were issued under the original regime
> and which were issued under the new, there should probably be
> an obvious gap in the number range (going to 5 digit or 6 digit numbers).

Oh, have you any guess how many tools will be broken by the RFC10K problem?

(That is not a joke.)

   Brian
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