+1 Regards, Ed J On 1/6/11, Marshall Eubanks <tme@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Jan 6, 2011, at 5:16 AM, Yoav Nir wrote: > >> >> On Jan 6, 2011, at 11:26 AM, Alessandro Vesely wrote: >> >>> I've never attended an IETF meeting. Why? Because it seems to me quite >>> unlikely to have a chance to say something useful by going there. I mean >>> useful with respect to a problem that I consider important. That is, not >>> just a minimal contribution to an already scheduled session that I may >>> happen >>> to attend. Perhaps, I should request a session... >>> >>> Problems are often expressed in the form of tentative solutions. Such >>> solutions may occasionally happen to be discussed, refined, and agreed >>> upon >>> by a group of individuals. Implementation, standardization, and adoption >>> may >>> eventually follow --not necessarily in this order. Isn't this how the >>> IRTF >>> and the IETF should work? >>> >>> A poster session would be a sort of plenary, lasting a couple of hours or >>> so, >>> with posters hanged on numbered hardboard panels arranged along a >>> walkway. A >>> poster may be sized A0, or ~50 in, or consist of an equivalent number of >>> smaller sheets. Posters may stay exposed for a few hours before/after >>> the >>> scheduled time period. During the session time, however, authors should >>> stand beside their posters and thus have their chance to talk to any >>> interested ietfers, one by one or in small knots, informally. A few >>> dozens >>> of posters per session may provide for adequate gathering. >>> >>> IME, this way of participating is easier and less binding for both >>> authors >>> and attendees. A poster would suit subjects for which it's difficult to >>> carve a niche within a hosting WG's session, but it may also work as a >>> means >>> to achieve consensus on a given topic before raising it in a more >>> official >>> discussion. >>> >>> Opinions/suggestions? >> >> Hi Alessandro. >> >> Following the Maastricht meeting, there was a lively discussion of a >> similar issue. The way things are, you need a lot of support to present an >> idea at a BoF, so the usual way to present new things has become to >> publish a "bar BoF" and present there. Despite the name, the modern bar >> BoF is not held in a bar, but rather in the empty conference rooms during >> lunch time and late in the evening. Understandably, people don't like >> this much. >> >> There have been a few suggestions for alternate ways of presenting and >> gathering supporters. One such suggestion is in this draft: >> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-nir-non-wg-presentations-01 >> >> A poster session sounds cool, but it works well when the presenters are >> companies, rather than individuals. To get a good A0 poster, you need >> access to printing services (which are not cheap, but doable) and graphic >> design talent, which is neither cheap nor common in IETF attendees. To >> get such a poster up, I would need either my company's sponsorship, or >> else use my own talents in graphic design: Hmm, #12FF12. Now there's a >> nice shade of green for a background. As for fonts, let's go with Mistral, >> because http://www.cracked.com/funny-5647-fonts . > > I am neutral on the overall idea, but in many (most?) academic conferences > in a poster session you get a pin board (hopefully with a bunch of pins), > which lends itself well to pinning up a set of printed out slides. I have > seen many fine poster session presentations from people with very little > money, so > I don't agree it unduly favors the well sponsored. And it has one great > advantage... > > >> >> Seriously, though, most of the presentation slides you see in an IETF >> meeting are either black-on-white with way too much text, > > ... in that you can read the slides with too much text at your leisure if > you want to, rather than having them flash by unread. > > I am not sure it would fit well with the "IETF ecosystem," as it takes time > to scan through a bunch of posters, and it takes time to stand > by your poster and answer any questions, and time is always short at an > IETF. Maybe we could just have them in the halls and call them a "hall-BOF." > > Regards > Marshall > > >> sometimes adding some default design from the software, or else they're >> extremely well designed, where you know there's been some company >> sponsorship. Some of the Internet-of-Things presentations in recent IETF >> meetings are examples of the latter. I think that's too high a bar to set >> for new ideas that still don't have much traction. >> >> It could be done with some booths instead of the posters - maybe some >> desks arranged around a room. >> >> Yoav >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ietf mailing list >> Ietf@xxxxxxxx >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf >> > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf