>>>>> "Andrew" == Andrew Sullivan <ajs@xxxxxxxxxxxx> writes: Andrew> On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 01:20:23PM -0700, SM wrote: >> It would be difficult to get buy-in if the document is not >> published as a RFC. Andrew> Supppse we actually have the following problems: Andrew> 1. People think that it's too hard to get to PS. Andrew> (Never mind the competing anecdotes. Let's just suppose Andrew> this is true.) Andrew> 2. People think that PS actually ought to mean Andrew> "Proposed" and not "Permanent". (i.e. people want a sort of Andrew> immature-ish level for standards so that it's possible to Andrew> build and deploy something interoperable without first Andrew> proving that it will never need to change.) Andrew> 3. We want things to move along and be Internet Andrew> STANDARDs. Andrew> 4. Most of the world thinks "RFC" == "Internet Andrew> Standard". Andrew> If all of those things are right and we're actually trying Andrew> to solve them all, then it seems to me that the answer is Andrew> indeed to move to _n_ maturity levels of RFC, where _n_ < 3 Andrew> (I propose 1), but that we introduce some new document Andrew> series (call them TRFC, for "Tentative Request For Comment", Andrew> or whatever) that is the first step. Then we get past the Andrew> thing that people are optimizing for ("everything stays as Andrew> Proposed Standard once it gets published") by simply Andrew> eliminating that issue permanently. I think this is a workable idea. But, instead of calling things TRFCXXXX, let's do something less glamorous and give it hash... maybe based upon the sha1 of the document or something. TRFC-ipsec-4d66-1618-00bbd99b.txt :-) -- ] He who is tired of Weird Al is tired of life! | firewalls [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works, Ottawa, ON |net architect[ ] mcr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.sandelman.ottawa.on.ca/ |device driver[ Kyoto Plus: watch the video <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzx1ycLXQSE> then sign the petition. _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf