>>>>> "t" == t petch <t.petch> writes:
t> By contrast, the delays in producing an RFC seem to revolve
t> around WG process, where Last Call causes people to come out of
t> the woodwork with delaying suggestions, something a good chair or
t> AD would stamp on, and IESG process, where certain hot buttons -
t> eg security, flow control - produce some ludicrous DISCUSS' which
t> delay the process for months. Tom Petch
I think that's unfair, both to the process and to the people involved.
LCs are there because ADs and Chairs often *DO* stamp on the legitimate
concerns of people, which often get ignored in the process.
In-person meeting time is used regularly for powerpoints rather than
discussion. This is, I think, a major difference between the IETF
meeting of 2010 and an IETF meeting of 1992. In 1992, maybe, I think we
had much less access to AV equipment, and thus we actually had to use
our time productively. Of course, we also didn't have the RFC2026
process at all. I don't really know: my first meeting was March
1996, although I recall bringing some of my thoughts in the form of
overhead foils (transparencies).
Even the setup of the room matters: the theatre style of seating means
that things are prejudiced towards presenters/listeners, rather than
participation of equals.
Interium meetings by phone only seem to sometimes be more useful: only
really involved people attend, and everyone is equal disadvantages by
the limited single channel voice channel.
So, it's not that WG Chairs need to stamp on these people, it's that
they need to STOP stamping on them. Instead, they need to be understood
early on in the process, and their concerns either addressed, or they
need to be made out of scope, at least for that stage of the work.
If you want to remove a roadblock to PS, then I'd say remove the LC.
Move it to from PS->step2.
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