Keith Moore wrote: > > I would strongly object to a change to our process that removed > the requirement to demonstrate interoperability. > > If we need additional incentives to advancement, perhaps we should > require that proposed standards revert to informational or historic > if no action is taken within three years. > (action being: recycle at proposed, advance to draft) As I understand it, the original draft requirement (demonstrating interop) was to improve the specification in several aspects: - ensure that there are implementations of the specification, because implementing a spec is a good method to uncover inconsistencies, ambiguities and contradictions - ensure that there are multiple independent implementations in order to find out whether independent implementers understand the spec in the same fashion. - find out which of the (interoperable) features of a spec are necessary and which one are more in the direction of bloat Recycling a spec on proposed will primarily add new features, and include errata and potential clarifications, but rarely drop features. Therefore I'm no sure that "recycling" at proposed should be considered a valid substitute for a demonstration of interoperability between independent implementations. At least, there should be a limit as to how often recycling a spec at proposed should "exempt" a working group from demonstrating interoperability. Otherwise, there might grow a disconnect between the most recent spec and what is most commonly used on the internet. The TLS protocol is a victim of the "recycle at proposed" rather than performing serious interop testing. With the result that the most recent spec is TLS v1.2 (08/2008), whereas the protocol version that is most widely used, and the _only_ TLS protocol version that can be safely used by a client that does not implement an application-level reconnect fallback is TLS v1.0 (01/1999). If the forward extensibility options in the TLS protocol had been more appropriately interop tested in the years after TLSv1.0, this problem would likely be *much* smaller. The PKIX Interet Certificate and CRL Profile has similar being recycled at proposed serveral times (2459,3280,5280), and has grown feature bloat rather than seen cleanup & feature reduction. -Martin _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf