On Aug 29, 2010, at 8:10 PM, Dave CROCKER wrote: > >> At the risk of turning this into a string of competing anectdotes > > > It turned into that long ago. In terms of the tone in these discussions, folk continue to believe that their personal experiences are relevant for deciding logistics policy in choosing IETF meetings. > > Unfortunately, such folk constitute a remarkably skewed sample of what is typically touted as the target population of IETF attendees. > > The premise to these anecdotes appears to be that IETF meetings are designed for people who have: > > * hefty corporate travel funding -- so money is largely no object As someone who frequently pays for IETF travel out of my own pocket, I can assure you that this is not true for me. Ditto for meeting and travel time sinks. However, "90% of life consists of simply showing up," and that is especially true for the IETF; to participate, you have to show up, and that requires travel. Regards Marshall > * extensive travel experience -- therefore accepting requirements > to handle complex travel details > * frequent travel schedules -- so extraneous, 1/2-day incremental > time and cost doesn't mean much > * a full week at the meeting -- so remote locations have minor > impact > * a desire to use meetings for tourism -- which is more important than venue > convenience or reliability > * complete lack of empathy for anyone not fitting into this category > > "Lack of empathy" is typically being demonstrated by overt hostility, but certainly dismissive handwaves. The concerns of others simply do not matter and are to be classed as petty, naive, or the like. > > It's difficult to imagine a more elitist demographic, particular for a community that has been predicated on diversity and inclusiveness. > > At the least, the IETF should be honest and re-cast its community culture as being tailored for well-funded professional meeting goers... > > d/ > -- > > Dave Crocker > Brandenburg InternetWorking > bbiw.net > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf