Sounds to me as if you both just need a good travel agent (& possibly a little anti-whining therapy ;-). Hope this helps. ~gwz > -----Original Message----- > From: ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx [mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of > JORDI PALET MARTINEZ > Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 3:57 AM > To: IETF Discussion > Subject: Re: [78attendees] WARNING !!! Re: Maastricht to Brussels-Nat- > Aero, Sat 07:09 > > That's it ! > > Regards, > Jordi > > > > > > From: Mary Barnes <mary.ietf.barnes@xxxxxxxxx> > > Reply-To: <mary.ietf.barnes@xxxxxxxxx> > > Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 15:11:47 -0500 > > To: Fred Baker <fred@xxxxxxxxx> > > Cc: <jordi.palet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, IETF Discussion <ietf@xxxxxxxx> > > Subject: Re: [78attendees] WARNING !!! Re: Maastricht to Brussels-Nat- > Aero, > > Sat 07:09 > > > > Fred, > > > > The fuss is all about the fact that the trains between Hiroshima or a > > flight leg from Frankfurt to Prague, for example can't be compared to > > the train experience to/from Maastricht in terms of convenience in > > scheduling, ease in purchasing ticketss, quality of transport and > > comfort (in my experience). Information about the trains to Hiroshima > > was provided well ahead of time and was extremely accurate and > > informative (down to the detail of not changing at the central Tokyo > > station). The trains to Hiroshima were far superior in quality and > > comfort than those to Maastricht. The train I took to Maastricht was > > decrepit - two cars that were filthy, with the filthiest restroom I > > have EVER seen in my entire life and I've seen alot having traveled in > > a station wagon all around the US as a child. And, unfortunately, I > > had no choice but to use the facilities on the train since the public > > restroom at the lovely Liege station was closed at 10pm at nite. I > > barely caught the last train to Maastricht due to flight delays and I > > got very lucky in that there was a cab dropping someone at the train > > station in Maastricht when I arrived, otherwise I would have had to > > walk to my hotel as the train station was entirely shutdown when I > > arrived. > > > > So, AT MOST, I would consider Maastricht a Tertiary location as I > > would the venue in Dublin and as I would a conference center located > > 15 minutes from my house despite it being 15 minutes from the 3rd > > busiest international airport in the world because there are no > > restaurants nearby and folks that stayed at other hotels would need a > > car to get there. > > > > In my opinion Hiroshima was a very satisfactory venue - the trains > > were clean, easy to use and the meeting venue was located in a city > > center (near all the hotels) with plenty of nearby choices for finding > > food. These are all very, very basic and simple criteria to meet, > > unfortunately, Maastricht did not satisfy any of them. > > > > Regards. > > Mary. > > > > On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 2:58 AM, Fred Baker <fred@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > >> > >> Hiroshima, Barcelona, and Maastricht are equally "secondary" to me. I > take a > >> commuter flight, I take a flight between hubs, and I do something > else > >> (flight or train, and the train's a lot more comfortable than > flying), and > >> I'm there. If I'm on three flights or two and a train, to me that's > pretty > >> normal. Leaves me wondering what the fuss is about. > >> > >> I've attached the www.hipmunk.com report on "how to get from > Barcelona to > >> Beijing". > >> > >> If you're arguing against Maastricht on the basis of it being > secondary, do > >> you really want to go there? > >> > >>> Maastricht didn't met any of both choices. > >>> > >>> I don't think the responsibility of the IAOC/secretariat finish by > providing > >>> the venue and hotels. It must be a GOOD venue. Otherwise we may > choose as > >>> venue ANY city lost in a far corner of any country, right ? And that > should > >>> include the most obvious info about how to reach the venue > (especially if is > >>> not next to an international airport). If somebody take the risk of > choosing > >>> an alternative path, of course, that's a different history. > >> > >> I agree they need to be good venues. Was Hiroshima a good venue, by > your > >> analysis? It seemed very good to me. So did Maastricht, although we > had to > >> fix the Internet access in the conference hotel. My only complaint > there, to > >> be honest, is that I used Swisscom in the Crowne Plaza and several > other > >> hotels while in Europe, and with the exception of the NH Airport > Brussels, > >> they all had loss rates on the order of 1% or greater for the > duration that I > >> was measuring. I thought Maastricht was a great city. > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ietf mailing list > >> Ietf@xxxxxxxx > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > >> > >> > > > > ********************************************** > The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org > > This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or > confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the > individual(s) named above. 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