Re: [78attendees] WARNING !!! Re: Maastricht to Brussels-Nat-Aero, Sat 07:09

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That's it !

Regards,
Jordi




> From: Mary Barnes <mary.ietf.barnes@xxxxxxxxx>
> Reply-To: <mary.ietf.barnes@xxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 15:11:47 -0500
> To: Fred Baker <fred@xxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: <jordi.palet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, IETF Discussion <ietf@xxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [78attendees] WARNING !!! Re: Maastricht to Brussels-Nat-Aero,
> Sat 07:09
> 
> Fred,
> 
> The fuss is all about the fact that the trains between Hiroshima or a
> flight leg from Frankfurt to Prague, for example can't be compared to
> the train experience to/from Maastricht in terms of convenience in
> scheduling, ease in purchasing ticketss, quality of transport and
> comfort (in my experience).  Information about the trains to Hiroshima
> was provided well ahead of time and was extremely accurate and
> informative (down to the detail of not changing at the central Tokyo
> station).  The trains to Hiroshima were far superior in quality and
> comfort than those to Maastricht.  The train I took to Maastricht was
> decrepit - two cars that were filthy, with the filthiest restroom I
> have EVER seen in my entire life and I've seen alot having traveled in
> a station wagon all around the US as a child.  And, unfortunately, I
> had no choice but to use the facilities on the train since the public
> restroom at the lovely Liege station was closed at 10pm at nite. I
> barely caught the last train to Maastricht due to flight delays and I
> got very lucky in that there was a cab dropping someone at the train
> station in Maastricht when I arrived, otherwise I would have had to
> walk to my hotel as the train station was entirely shutdown when I
> arrived.
> 
> So, AT MOST, I would consider Maastricht a Tertiary location as I
> would the venue in Dublin and as I would a conference center located
> 15 minutes from my house despite it being 15 minutes from the 3rd
> busiest international airport in the world because there are no
> restaurants nearby and folks that stayed at other hotels would need a
> car to get there.
> 
> In my opinion Hiroshima was a very satisfactory venue - the trains
> were clean, easy to use and the meeting venue was located in a city
> center (near all the hotels) with plenty of nearby choices for finding
> food.  These are all very, very basic and simple criteria to meet,
> unfortunately, Maastricht did not satisfy any of them.
> 
> Regards.
> Mary.
> 
> On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 2:58 AM, Fred Baker <fred@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Hiroshima, Barcelona, and Maastricht are equally "secondary" to me. I take a
>> commuter flight, I take a flight between hubs, and I do something else
>> (flight or train, and the train's a lot more comfortable than flying), and
>> I'm there. If I'm on three flights or two and a train, to me that's pretty
>> normal. Leaves me wondering what the fuss is about.
>> 
>> I've attached the www.hipmunk.com report on "how to get from Barcelona to
>> Beijing".
>> 
>> If you're arguing against Maastricht on the basis of it being secondary, do
>> you really want to go there?
>> 
>>> Maastricht didn't met any of both choices.
>>> 
>>> I don't think the responsibility of the IAOC/secretariat finish by providing
>>> the venue and hotels. It must be a GOOD venue. Otherwise we may choose as
>>> venue ANY city lost in a far corner of any country, right ? And that should
>>> include the most obvious info about how to reach the venue (especially if is
>>> not next to an international airport). If somebody take the risk of choosing
>>> an alternative path, of course, that's a different history.
>> 
>> I agree they need to be good venues. Was Hiroshima a good venue, by your
>> analysis? It seemed very good to me. So did Maastricht, although we had to
>> fix the Internet access in the conference hotel. My only complaint there, to
>> be honest, is that I used Swisscom in the Crowne Plaza and several other
>> hotels while in Europe, and with the exception of the NH Airport Brussels,
>> they all had loss rates on the order of 1% or greater for the duration that I
>> was measuring. I thought Maastricht was a great city.
>> 
>> 
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