I'm going to pile on what Michael and Mary have already said, by
saying the comparable list of cities (Minneapolis, Orlando,
Vancouver, Barcelona, Prague) isn't even remotely close to including
Maastricht. Each of the above cities are accessible internationally
via air (as in: on intercontinental flights), and from many
cities. Maastricht has a very small airport that I'm not sure you
can get to it outside of NL and Germany (I'm sure I'm wrong, but I'm
not wrong by much). You certainly can't get to Maastricht from North
America or Asian directly.
I agree with everything else Michael and Mary say as concerns, and
mention that, like Michael, I'm not following as many WGs as I once
did, however I am a WG chair, and have between 10-14 active IDs (in ~
3 to 6 WGs) at any given time - but what Michael described was very
near what I look for in a venue/IETF destination.
James
At 03:53 PM 8/27/2010, Mary Barnes wrote:
I had the same reaction to the Maastricht comparison to any of those
other cities in terms of equivalency. I added a comment in that
regards to my responses. I agree 100% that the question is pretty
useless if Maastricht is considered secondary. A survey of the number
of hops (planes, trains and automobiles) that participants have to
take to each of those "secondary" venues would highlight the distinct
difference IMHO.
I also added a comment about the fact that some of the differences in
responses in terms of tourism opportunities likely depends upon how
many sessions the individual needs to attend, how many WGs they chair
and how many WGs they are presenting in. Asking folks that question
would really help with the analysis. My guess is that it's those of us
that need to be in sessions pretty much solid starting as early as
7:30 am and going to beyond 10pm on the majority of the days are the
ones that are most concerned about efficiencies and the conveniences
in getting the basics of food, a safe/clean place to sleep and
Internet.
Mary.
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Michael StJohns <mstjohns@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Ray -
>
> I started to take this survey then bounced out of it on the second page.
> This comes under the heading of bad survey design.
>
> I object to the way gateway/secondary cities are defined here and
> specifically equating Maastricht with Minneapolis seems somewhat stacking
> the deck.
>
> What I'm looking for in a meeting location is a venue with both formal and
> informal meeting spaces where I stand a good chance of having a good
> technical discussion with random people at pretty much any time of the day
> or night - that's my view of what has contributed to the IETF's
success over
> the years. (Although the marathon session for the first draft of the Host
> Requirements document was probably stretching it) That generally means a
> central large hotel with attached conference space with access to non-hotel
> food and drink in close proximity.
>
> With respect to tourism, at different times in my career, I've
had different
> interests in the IETF. Currently, I'm down to only a few WGs that I follow
> and as of the last meeting, none that I'm currently contributing to.
> Considering that I'm now consulting as my main activity and paying for this
> on my own dime, I expect that my ratio of tourism to attendance will be
> somewhat skewed towards tourism, but wouldn't expect the IETF to cater to
> that. My prime interest is still technical interaction and discussion.
>
> With respect to getting there - I'm finding the trend of getting off an
> international plane in a gateway city and then getting onto a train for 2-5
> hours somewhat worrisome. I spent more time online for
Maastricht trying to
> research how to get to Maastricht that I did reading IDs - and even then
> when I got to the Maastricht central train station, I had no luck buying a
> ticket for Maastricht Raandwyck.
>
> I live in a gateway city and would prefer to go to another gateway city -
> but I realize that's not always feasible and not always the best venue.
>
> I don't know how to categorize Maastricht vs Minneapolis except to say that
> air connectivity is better to Minneapolis and the meeting venue has more of
> what I'm looking for in an IETF setup - and I can't see any way to indicate
> that on your survey.
>
> To be honest, I don't think I'll find the output of this survey of much use
> in its current form.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
>
> At 03:12 PM 8/27/2010, Ray Pelletier wrote:
>
> All;
>
> Do you have IETF meeting venue preferences? If so, the IAOC wants to know!
>
> Please take this survey at: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/8HPLZGJ
>
> Thanks!
>
> Ray
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