--On Monday, August 16, 2010 11:05 -0700 Ole Jacobsen <ole@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Fri, 13 Aug 2010, Dave CROCKER wrote: >> >> Well, since the target market isn't really specified and the >> criteria for satisfying it aren't specified, what's really >> going on is a lot of private models that probably don't >> match. > > The target market was well specified in Hiroshima: Expose a > new community to our work. This was an explicit desire by > WIDE and I believe that it worked quite well based on the > numbers, but this does NOT mean that I expect to see (m)any of > these attendees as regular IETFers. Exposure to our way of > doing things does not mean that they'll join our ranks, but > that does not make the excercise/experiment invalid. And I > don't see how this is a "private model". Ole, the obvious question here can be stated more or less as follows: (1) The sponsor wants to expose a community in which they are interested to our work, (2) We have little expectation that the community intended to be exposed will turn into long-term active/ contributing participants and few (if any) of them are active, contributing, but non-attending participants already. (3) Accommodating the sponsor's desires increases costs (travel time and expense, effective meeting length, costs of trying to educate those who won't come back) to regular, active, contributing participants. That is independent of the costs to the IASA, which presumably do not increase and, depending on how one counts would go down by the amount of sponsorship (assuming the sponsor were to condition sponsorship on that "exposure" arrangement). If the sponsor merely expresses a preference but will sponsor one way or the other, the parameters of the equation may become more clear. Now I don't assume that the IAOC has made these decision incorrectly. But I would like to understand the reasoning that, it would appear, has the regular and active participants paying for the education and/or entertainment of tourists. regards, john _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf