Hi Bob -
A hallway conversation is NOT by default an "IETF Session" or even an "IETF Activity" in any way, shape or form and to be clear, it's unclear whether or not even a Bar BOF as semi-formal as it is should be considered an IETF Session.
If we go more targeted to the definition - typically, only about 5-10 folk stand up to talk at any given WG meeting session (and from what I've observed, they're 90% the same people meeting to meeting) and maybe 2-3 times that at the Plenary (not counting the chair, etc) (also somewhat the same people meeting to meeting). So, not the raw attendance data. If you want to go through all the minutes and attempt to prove your assumption - have at it. But only rarely have I seen a single time "local attendee" "contribute" (and I mean this in same way the NOTE WELL means it - provide a legally actionable "contribution") at a WG meeting. In the broader, non-NOTE WELL sense, I agree all attendees contribute in some manner, but that's not what this is about.
In a private note to Scott I noted that including all posters to mailing lists ("written or electronic communications") seems to be a bad idea for this purpose.
Mike
At 01:05 PM 8/11/2010, Bob Hinden wrote:
>Scott,
>
>On Aug 11, 2010, at 9:00 AM, Scott Brim wrote:
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>> I also believe that the goal of moving the meeting around is to minimize
>> the cost of getting our work done, not to minimize the cost for walk-in
>> attendees.
>
>I agree.
>
>> However, to measure this, I suggest we count "contributions"
>> as we do for IPR purposes:
>>
>> c. "IETF Contribution": any submission to the IETF intended by the
>> Contributor for publication as all or part of an Internet-Draft or
>> RFC (except for RFC Editor Contributions described below) and any
>> statement made within the context of an IETF activity. Such
>> statements include oral statements in IETF sessions, as well as
>> written and electronic communications made at any time or place,
>> which are addressed to:
>
>
>While it would be difficult to measure this quantitatively, I would assume everyone attending an IETF meeting has said something at the meeting (in a session, or in the hall, etc.) that could be construed as a contribution, so I would think this brings us back to the raw attendance data.
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>Bob
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