On 8/2/2010 7:49 AM, t.petch wrote: > I am encountering two cases of Contributions where I am uncertain what my rights > are. > > One is when material is not posted directly to an IETF list, rather a URL is > provided in an e-mail to a WG list, pointing to a Word or pdf document or a page > on a web site. Do the contents of such a document count as a Contribution? No... they are not submitted to the IETF in any form where the party submitting them has to document their power of attorney to convey the IP to the IETF. As such they cannot be included... > Can > I use the text from such a document in my own I-D? RFC 5378 et al would suggest > not. You could technically only use the URL as a printed-object and not as a reference to external content which is controlled outside of the IETF's republication conveyance model > (One common example of this is when the document in question is a liaison from > another SDO commenting on an IETF I-D but there are others where the document > could and perhaps should be an IETF I-D but, for whatever reason, the authors > choose not to put the document forward as such) > > And, corner corner case, what if the document or web page in question is updated > after the e-mail with the URL is posted to the list (but the URL is unaltered)? Hmmmm, that is NOT a corner case but rather a primary case of inclusion by reference (i.e. that the reference to that content included its power of attorney in an ongoing manner). Any material which is an abstracted form of content (content which is represented by some link) cannot be included into the IETF's processes because there will never be a way to properly catalogue and promulgate the developers rights to assign them to the IETF. For instance if there was a SDO "spud standards" and they created Potato Network Protocol, and someone here in the IETF writes a I-D about that product, the IETF itself and that party do not own legal rights to publish anything technical about that IP without the core owners permissions which the submitter never had. This has happened numerous times already (lets start with TELNET for instance) and the IETF's practice is to shove its collective head into somewhere the sun doesn't shine to prevent its being forced to actually see that it has its head packed up its... well you get the point. Here we are again at the idea that the IETF cannot license content and technology it doesn't own the copyrights to. Todd Glassey > Same question, can I use the text, but what if the text comes from an e-mail > posted to a list but it is an IRTF list and not an IETF one? RFC5743, on the > IRTF stream, is silent about Contributions; RFC 5378 is verbose, but is explicit > that it relates only to the IETF (as indeed it should be, as that is what the > IPR WG resolved). So does a post to an IRTF list (and I never see Note Wells or > anything similar on an IRTF list or at an IRTF meeting) count as a Contribution? > Can I carry the text across to an IETF (yes, IETF) I-D? > > This last seems to me to be a substantive omission from RFC5743. > > Tom Petch > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marshall Eubanks" <tme@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: "IETF discussion list" <ietf@xxxxxxxx> > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:23 AM > Subject: New Trust Copyright FAQ > > >> The IETF Trust maintains a Frequently Asked Questions [FAQ] file on >> IETF Copyright issues. With the creation of a new Trust Legal >> Provisions (TLP), this FAQ needed to be updated. This was done last >> month, but do to some confusion about document changes, this was never >> announced. >> >> So, I would like to announce that there is a new Copyright FAQ for the >> IETF Trust Legal Provisions. >> >> A direct link to the PDF document is >> >> http://trustee.ietf.org/license-info/ >> >> and it is also available from the TLP page >> >> http://trustee.ietf.org/docs/IETF-Trust-License-Policy.pdf >> >> Of course, this document is informative, not normative. >> >> Comments, questions and suggestions would, as always, be appreciated. >> >> Regards >> Marshall >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ietf mailing list >> Ietf@xxxxxxxx >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf