On Aug 2, 2010, at 5:48 PM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: > Dear Joel; > > On Aug 1, 2010, at 10:08 AM, Joel M. Halpern wrote: > >> In hallway discussion about this, it was suggested to me that part >> of the problem is that some folks can not figure out how to >> socialize their ideas. >> > > I would say that if a BarBOF is organized independent of the IETF > process, it is not appropriate to measure it by the rules of the IETF > process. > >> If ideas are really preliminary, sitting down with 4-6 other folks >> who are skilled and informed on the particular topic to discuss the >> idea, and try to firm it up makes good sense. The IETF is a very >> good place to do that. That is what the traditional Bar BoF was for. > > The trouble I have with that is that I may not know who those people > are, and even if I do it is hard (in my experience) to find vacant > time slots to get those people together. (The IETF can be great for > meeting and spending some time with people you don't know, simply > because you are in the restaurant / bar / social together, but we all > know it can be very hard to arrange time to meet with a specific set > of people.) To get even 5 people together, it is frequently necessary > to resort to a doodle poll, and that means a certain amount of > organization. > > In the case of the 2 BarBOFS I organized at IETF-78, in both cases > there were very useful contributions made by people I didn't know and > therefore wouldn't have invited. Even if the efforts fail (and one of > them was DOA and will not move forward), I am glad to have had the > opportunity to get to know more people in an area of interest to me. And that is why I think that these meetings would have been better served if presented as a presentation, rather than a bar BoF. Suppose we had a list of "non-WG presentations" with a listing like this Title: Tunneling IPSec over HTTP using XML Presenter: Marshall Eubanks Draft: draft-eubanks-ipsec-bloated-transport Abstract: For years now http has not enjoyed the benefits of XML. We are now about to change all that. No longer will IPsec be constrained to efficient formats. _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf