RE: Nomcom Enhancements: Improving the IETF leadership selection process

[Ross Callon <rcallon@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

I saw proposals for two pools from which nomcom members might be chosen. I don’t think that anyone is proposing that once chosen, there is any distinction between the 10 voting nomcom members. When I was a liaison to nomcom, it seemed to me that the ten voting members acted as peers, with no one knowing, nor caring, whether any particular member had attended 3 IETFs or 50. This “ten peers” approach should and I expect will continue regardless of how the 10 voting members are chosen.

 

Each nomcom member comes in with their own experiences and personalities. Thus for example one voting member might have more experience with one IETF area, and another might have more experience in a different IETF area. Similarly, some might have management experience in the IETF, some might have management experience inside their employer, and some might have implemented communications protocols. Each can talk from their point of view. In my experience as nomcom liaison it seemed very valuable that some of the nomcom voting members had significant experience in IETF leadership. It also seemed very valuable that all of the voting members appeared to be taking the process very seriously and doing their best to do the right thing (which was also true the one time that I was on a jury – a somewhat similar and also very important process). That being said, However, each needs to listen carefully and then make up their own mind based on their own judgment of what is best for the IETF and for the Internet.

 

That being said, I think that the points idea is interesting.

 

Ross

 

From: ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx [mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Aaron Falk
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 1:08 AM
To: Donald Eastlake
Cc: IETF-Discussion list
Subject: Re: Nomcom Enhancements: Improving the IETF leadership selection process

 

Hi Donald-

You present an interesting idea and I appreciate your desire to avoid a two-class nomcom.  If you were to take that approach, I'd suggest allocating points as below:

High points (e.g., 10)
- served as a working group chair
- served on the IESG or IAB

Medium points (e.g., 5)
- served as a liaison
- authored an IETF Stream RFC
- shepherded an IETF Stream RFC
- served on a directorate or liaison
(there are probably others)

Low points (e.g., 1 per meeting)
- meeting attendance

Giving meeting attendance points 1 per meeting without bound seems like a good idea since someone who has attended 20 IETF meetings may be a lot more plugged in than someone who has attended 5 or some of the 'medium points' items. 

Just a thought,

--aaron


On 7/30/10 11:23 PM, Donald Eastlake wrote:

I can see the desire to have some more experience on the nomcom.

 

However, I am completely opposed to invidious schemes to divide the nomcom voting members into two (or more) classes. And I think the desired results can be obtained without doing so.

 

The current qualification is attendance 3 out of the last 5 meetings but no one notices or cares whether any particular nomcom volunteer attended 3, 4, or 5 meeting. If you want more experienced members, just tighten the attendance criteria a bit but give points for other experience. As an example, set a threshold of 4 or 5 points where you get one for each meeting you attend out of the last six, one point for being on either of the two most recent nomcoms, and one point for having been a working group chair in the past two years. You could even make the probability of selection non-uniform based on points and I'd be willing to modify the code normally used to allow that, but I don't think it would be necessary.

 

This way you will get more experience without the dominance effects of some nomcom members being labeled Senior and some Junior or whatever.

 

Thanks,

Donald
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