Re: China Visas

["Andrew Allen" <aallen@xxxxxxx>]

Yes. Now a support letter from your compnay seems to be essential. Don't leave home without it :)

From: Clint Chaplin [mailto:clint.chaplin@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 10:02 PM
To: Ole Jacobsen <ole@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: ietf@xxxxxxxx <ietf@xxxxxxxx>; JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: China Visas
 

Ole,

 

My intent in my previous email was not to point out possible differences between US and non-US citizens.  The point was (and is) that the rules for US citizens seems to have recently changed, and as far as the SF consulate was concerned, they did not want an invitation letter for a business visa.  Only a letter from my employer.

On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Ole Jacobsen <ole@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Clint,

I am not suggesting that the requirements have changed, what I am
suggesting is that the rules are not the same for US vs non-US
citizens (the price certainly isn't ;-) and that this may lead
you to get a visa which expires before you get to China. This
happened to me once and the consulate very graciously and carefully
removed the visa sticker and refunded the application fee. My
confusing was the "When do you intend to arrive in China?" question.
This date is NOT used in any way to determine the start date of the
visa, so beware.

Getting a tourist visa is perfectly fine according to our host and
this does not require you to get an invitation letter, you're just
required to submit proof that you did leave the hotel and visit
tourist spots, start here:

http://www.yikes.com/~ole/Beijing2009/IMG_3858-l.html

:-) OK,  I am kidding, but do please take some time to see Beijing!!
The Chinese food is WAY better than what you're used to from home.

Ole


Ole J. Jacobsen
Editor and Publisher,  The Internet Protocol Journal
Cisco Systems
Tel: +1 408-527-8972   Mobile: +1 415-370-4628
E-mail: ole@xxxxxxxxx  URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj

On Wed, 28 Jul 2010, Clint Chaplin wrote:

> I applied to the SF consulate through a passport agency for a visa for a
> trip in March.
>
> At that time the passport agency let me know that the consulate did not need
> or want an invitation letter.  All they required was a letter from my
> employer stating that they will guarantee my return, and asking for the visa
> level that I required.
>
> My letter from my employer asked for a one year multiple entry visa.  I got
> it.
>
> I'm a US citizen.  The requirements seem to have changed.
>
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Ole Jacobsen <ole@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> >
> > Jordi,
> >
> > I recommend you apply for a visa whenever it is convenient for you and
> > when it will work according to the rules that apply (typically) for
> > visas for Spain and that you go the tourist visa route since that type
> > is "easy". As discussed many months ago on this list, it is extremely
> > difficult to give instructions beyond "check with your local consulate
> > or embassy" for the exact rules and typical durations of the visa.
> >
> > In my case, for example, the duration typically granted by San
> > Francisco (where I can walk into the consulate, past a certain group
> > of prot..., oh, never mind) is DIFFERENT from Los Angeles, at least so
> > I have been told by the visa wizards.
> >
> > Americans can typically get 6 months duration visas, but they pay $130
> > whereas I only pay $30. Nice arrangement, eh?
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > Ole
> >
> >
> > Ole J. Jacobsen
> > Editor and Publisher,  The Internet Protocol Journal
> > Cisco Systems
> > Tel: +1 408-527-8972   Mobile: +1 415-370-4628
> > E-mail: ole@xxxxxxxxx  URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 28 Jul 2010, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Ole,
> > >
> > > In my case, I've been able to get a Chinese VISA in 3 previous occasions,
> > > more than 4 months in advance, which is also my typical average to by
> > > flights, book hotels, and so on to obtain lower fares. So should work
> > also
> > > this time.
> > >
> > > >From now to the next IETF meeting in China, I've only 1 slot of
> > 7-on-a-row
> > > days at home, and during this week I also need to renew my passport
> > (because
> > > the typical rule of expiry 6 months after the end of your trip), which in
> > > Spain, fortunately takes only a couple of hours.
> > >
> > > I know, I should have asked even earlier, but was not realizing it will
> > not
> > > go online quickly after the meeting was announced.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Jordi
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > From: Ole Jacobsen <ole@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Reply-To: Ole Jacobsen <ole@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 10:13:33 -0700 (PDT)
> > > > To: Jordi Palet Martínez <jordi.palet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Cc: <ietf@xxxxxxxx>
> > > > Subject: Re: China Visas
> > > >
> > > > Because many visas to China are only valid 3 months, getting them now
> > > > is useless.
> > > >
> > > > The clock starts running when you get the visa and you must arrive
> > > > before 90 days (this is for Norway, your mileage may vary). US folks
> > > > seem to get 6 months ones more easily.
> > > >
> > > > Ole
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ole J. Jacobsen
> > > > Editor and Publisher,  The Internet Protocol Journal
> > > > Cisco Systems
> > > > Tel: +1 408-527-8972   Mobile: +1 415-370-4628
> > > > E-mail: ole@xxxxxxxxx  URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 28 Jul 2010, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> For some of us traveling a lot, the only available time to get the
> > VISA for
> > > >> next meeting will be vacations period in the next couple of weeks.
> > > >>
> > > >> However, I still don't see this being available in the meeting page.
> > > >>
> > > >> Can we please make sure to provide this in the next couple of days ?
> > > >>
> > > >> Regards,
> > > >> Jordi
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
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SISA
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